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Did you read the article?

That wasn't the point of Krugman's article.

Again, the TPC did good work, but it was all based on assumptions. We don't have legislative language. We don't have the numbers yet.

I assure you, if it's just tax cuts for the rich I'll vote straight D ticket in 2018. Voting for Sherrod Brown and Rich Cordray isn't even a tough vote.

And again, Trump and the GOPs threshold (solely my personal cutoff) is a tax cut > Obama's 2011-2012 payroll tax cut. Which was >$2000/year.

The fact that you think that the Republicans deserve the benefit of the doubt is lol enough.

10-15-2017 , 12:50 PM

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I read the article. not being able to deduct state and local taxes will raise taxes for some in the middle class.

10-15-2017 , 12:52 PM

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Wow awval straight up admitting the value he places on all the suffering Trump has wrought is $2001.

The best people.

I mean, at least he's now being honest about why he votes instead of giving us that Hillbilly Elegy bull****.

10-15-2017 , 12:52 PM

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also whats the tpc?

10-15-2017 , 01:01 PM

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Yeah, he definitely did.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/919554236735803393

Would have loved a follow up of "do you think he is a moron?"

10-15-2017 , 01:08 PM

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awvil,

What if $2000 doesn't cover the rise in your insurance premiums and co-pay?

ETA: if we chip in to buy you a flat screen tv will you vote D across the board?

10-15-2017 , 01:24 PM

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$2000/year.

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Originally Posted by awval999

You are talking to a pro-choice, pro-DREAMER, pro-marriage equality, prior Obama-voter.

$2000.01/52 = $38.46 per week. You come pretty cheap even by Trump's standards.

10-15-2017 , 01:27 PM

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I’m just curious how less than forty bucks will cover the price increases we see when trump's trade wars go into full effect

10-15-2017 , 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

awvil,

What if $2000 doesn't cover the rise in your insurance premiums and co-pay?

That'll be easy, because that'll be Obama's fault.

10-15-2017 , 01:29 PM

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10-15-2017 , 01:50 PM

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Wow awval straight up admitting the value he places on all the suffering Trump has wrought is $2001.

The best people.

I love to lolawval as much as the next guy, but I don't get this line.

Is there any realistic amount of tax savings that would make you say, "Well awval, I guess you've gotta support Trump"

Let's increase hypothetical tax savings to 10K, is his Trump support acceptable then? If not 10K, then what?

10-15-2017 , 01:58 PM

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I'm no expert on Sherrod Brown, but if someone votes Trump over Hillary while Sherrod Brown isn't a tough vote I'm not so sure lowering taxes is really their issue.

10-15-2017 , 02:28 PM

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There is no amount of tax savings which would justify voting trump but the lower the savings the bigger the scumbag who voted for him.

10-15-2017 , 02:36 PM

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There is no amount of tax savings which would justify voting trump but the lower the savings the bigger the scumbag who voted for him.

So the super-mega-rich who would save millions under Trump are less scummy than awval?

10-15-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

also whats the tpc?

Tax Policy Center.

Their breakdown/work is good data. But they list all of the assumptions they had to make.

10-15-2017 , 02:39 PM

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awvil,

What if $2000 doesn't cover the rise in your insurance premiums and co-pay?

ETA: if we chip in to buy you a flat screen tv will you vote D across the board?

My insurance is gold-plated. It will be fine.

10-15-2017 , 02:41 PM

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I'm no expert on Sherrod Brown, but if someone votes Trump over Hillary while Sherrod Brown isn't a tough vote I'm not so sure lowering taxes is really their issue.

Why’s wrong with Sherrod? I met the guy in 2006 at college.

I voted for him in 06 vs Dewine and 12 vs Mandel.

He’s the standard pro-labor Dem.

10-15-2017 , 02:44 PM

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Why’s wrong with Sherrod? I met the guy in 2006 at college.

I voted for him in 06 vs Dewine and 12 vs Mandel.

He’s the standard pro-labor Dem.

I don't have anything against him myself. He's a big tax raising liberal though, right? I'm just trying to square all your choices and claims about why you made them.

If your criteria for voting is really "pro-labor" and you voted Trump, you're an idiot. But maybe there are other reasons you didn't vote HRC. It looks like your tax rate really wasn't the thing.

10-15-2017 , 02:45 PM

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I just don’t get why you all think I’ll be unable to admit “I was wrong”.

Like I’m some sort of a child or something.

I took a ride on the Trump Train, if I don’t like the destination I’ll get off at the next stop at the corner of 2018 and Democracy and take the Blue Train back.

10-15-2017 , 02:47 PM

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I'm just trying to square all your choices and claims about why you made them.

Not sure why you bother given his well-documented history of misrepresenting who he votes for and why.

10-15-2017 , 02:48 PM

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It's really come to something when the least contemptible reason for voting far right is tax cuts.

10-15-2017 , 02:49 PM

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I don't have anything against him myself. He's a big tax raising liberal though, right? I'm just trying to square all your choices and claims about why you made them.

I mean, as long as you fade Uber-left liberals, the rest of them don’t raise taxes on my piddly income. The standard Democratic “rich” threshold is $250k. And hell the real threshold when taxes were actually raised in 2012-13, and the bill that Obama signed was $450k.

Sherrod is a standard liberal.

The only reason Trump won the Midwest, and thus the election, is that people didn’t think he was a Romney. If he proves that wrong. He won’t win the Midwest again.

10-15-2017 , 02:53 PM

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I just don’t get why you all think I’ll be unable to admit “I was wrong”.

I have no doubt you'll be able to admit it. I'm quite sure that if Trump fails to deliver the $38-and-change per week that is the self-assessed cost of Awval's Conscience, you'll be very aggrieved and happy to share that fact.

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Originally Posted by awval999

The only reason Trump won the Midwest, and thus the election, is that people didn’t think he was a Romney.

Oh they're back to having agency now, eh? They're not aimless feathers blowing on the breeze of people wilfully and deliberately calling things racist anymore?