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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-29-2017 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The big flaw in the Constitution has always been the executive enforcing judicial orders, so if the courts tell the executive to stop doing something there's nobody above them if they just ignore that order.

So here we go. We're about to find out how bad it'll get.






Hey so the answer is real real real bad.
01-29-2017 , 12:20 AM
i risked my sanity and peeked at the_donald reddit again today, and the posts seem a lot "broader" and weirder then usual.

You can kinda feel that some are starting to desert the insanity farm.

Usually every negative comments about something trump did got instantly banned, now there are replies in threads with actual info for example why the trump muslim ban is worse than what obama did with syrian refugees and it gets upvotes and no ban... Interesting.
01-29-2017 , 12:24 AM
is there a good politics news liveblog I can follow? Reuters or something. Politico looks like it's napping it out for the weekend
01-29-2017 , 12:26 AM
nytimes is on it. 7 stories about it on the front page rn
01-29-2017 , 12:26 AM
Maybe State AG's can look into detaining some customs officials for violating court order.
01-29-2017 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
i risked my sanity and peeked at the_donald reddit again today, and the posts seem a lot "broader" and weirder then usual.

You can almost feel that some are starting to desert the insanity farm
It's a wrap now. Donald is going to jail along with Bannon, Kushner, Flynn for sure and probably a couple others. He won't drop the sanctions. Congress will just make it law. Russia wants what they paid for. Vlad sees the writing on the wall though. So hes cleaning up.

I wonder what this what about though?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politi...es-libya-isis/


Why do you use ****ing B2 bombers in libya? Hmmm...
01-29-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf

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Hey so the answer is real real real bad.
Mother ****ers.
01-29-2017 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Maybe State AG's can look into detaining some customs officials for violating court order.
If that's where we are going that's essentially a civil war.
01-29-2017 , 12:34 AM
So I'm just catching up to recent events...it isn't as big of a story as I'd expect (or even one at all really with all the other **** going on) but everyone knows Trump had to be the one that gave up our agents in Russia? I mean people ****ing understand that Russia didn't just "happen" to catch 3 spys a few days after Trump was sworn in.
01-29-2017 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Breitbart handling this story with typical objectivity


Typical state-run media...
01-29-2017 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
So I'm just catching up to recent events...it isn't as big of a story as I'd expect (or even one at all really with all the other **** going on) but everyone knows Trump had to be the one that gave up our agents in Russia? I mean people ****ing understand that Russia didn't just "happen" to catch 3 spys a few days after Trump was sworn in.
I doubt he personally burned them. That was clean up, Vlad is actually protecting his asset (TRUMP). He's still not gonna get his sanctions dropped though. Vlad is pissed, hes also ****ed.
01-29-2017 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
So I'm just catching up to recent events...it isn't as big of a story as I'd expect (or even one at all really with all the other **** going on) but everyone knows Trump had to be the one that gave up our agents in Russia? I mean people ****ing understand that Russia didn't just "happen" to catch 3 spys a few days after Trump was sworn in.
Link to spies being caught?
01-29-2017 , 12:46 AM
So I'm guessing Trump goes and bans immigration from all countries now in response to this ruling. The more resistance he gets the worse the response will be
01-29-2017 , 12:47 AM
the more resistance he gets and the more red his face gets the faster he gets outed
01-29-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
So I'm just catching up to recent events...it isn't as big of a story as I'd expect (or even one at all really with all the other **** going on) but everyone knows Trump had to be the one that gave up our agents in Russia? I mean people ****ing understand that Russia didn't just "happen" to catch 3 spys a few days after Trump was sworn in.
he had to do something big to distract people from the revelations in russia.

i wonder if we could do a statistical analysis for the rate of us assets uncovered in russia throughout history, compared to the trump administration. is david sklansky itt tonight?
01-29-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
So I'm guessing Trump goes and bans immigration from all countries now in response to this ruling. The more resistance he gets the worse the response will be
Let's hope he does that. Maybe some more people will wake up before it's too late.
01-29-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Link to spies being caught?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/w...-election.html
01-29-2017 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Let's hope he does that. Maybe some more people will wake up before it's too late.
Unfortunately this ruling does nothing other than save people who already had visas or refugees who already were approved. Trump should have done this in the first place and not retroactively instated this. Otherwise as far as I can tell effective now, if you don't have a visa you're out of luck until at least April 27 if you're from one of those 7 countries
01-29-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
Unfortunately this ruling does nothing other than save people who already had visas or refugees who already were approved. Trump should have done this in the first place and not retroactively instated this. Otherwise as far as I can tell effective now, if you don't have a visa you're out of luck until at least April 27 if you're from one of those 7 countries
You said Trump will probably ban all immigration from all countries. I'm saying that will wake more people.

As far as the ruling saving anyone, reports coming in now that it's being ignored and people still being held and/or sent back. Maybe this wakes some people too?
01-29-2017 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
You said Trump will probably ban all immigration from all countries. I'm saying that will wake more people.

As far as the ruling saving anyone, reports coming in now that it's being ignored and people still being held and/or sent back. Maybe this wakes some people too?
My friend is a lawyer in NYC and said that you could have a similar scenario evolve at say Houston or Dallas or Salt Lake City on international flights for example and the person brings a suit. Well, much more conservative judges in all likelihood in those locations, so you may get different rulings there and this thing just becomes confusing as all hell
01-29-2017 , 12:58 AM
the Republican Congress will get right on this
01-29-2017 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
The actual bodies are already starting to pile up. Wonder how quick the Clinton kill list website gets replaced?
01-29-2017 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Link to spies being caught?
Russians Charged With Treason Worked in Office Linked to Election Hacking

cliffs:

Two Russian intelligence officers who worked on cyberoperations and a Russian computer security expert have been arrested and charged with treason for providing information to the United States, according to multiple Russian news reports.
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one current and one former United States official, speaking about the classified recruitments on condition of anonymity, confirmed that human sources in Russia did play a crucial role in proving who was responsible for the hacking.

The former official said the agencies were initially reluctant to disclose their certainty about the Russian role for fear of setting off a mole hunt in Moscow.
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The virtually simultaneous appearance of at least four prominent news reports on the arrests, citing numerous anonymous sources, suggested that the normally opaque Russian government wanted the information out, though it was unclear why.
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The hints suggested that the Russian government may be signaling that it might, however indirectly through a treason trial, reveal details of election hacking, which would have the potential to damage Mr. Trump’s administration.

But there is another explanation, if something of a counterintuitive one: Documenting a Russian role in the electoral hacks could also serve Moscow’s foreign policy interests by underscoring the extent and power of the Kremlin’s reach in the world.
01-29-2017 , 01:05 AM
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"Nix explains forthrightly how his company does this (the presentation can be viewed on YouTube). From every available source, Cambridge Analytica buys up personal data: “What car you drive, what products you purchase in shops, what magazines you read, what clubs you belong to.” Voter and medical records... From a selection of digital signatures there suddenly emerge real individual people with fears, needs, and interests—and home addresses... They have assembled psychograms for all adult US citizens, 220 million people, and have used this data to influence electoral outcomes.
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Trump’s conspicuous contradictions and his oft-criticized habit of staking out multiple positions on a single issue result in a gigantic number of resulting messaging options that creates a huge advantage for a firm like Cambridge Analytica: for every voter, a different message. Mathematician Cathy O’Neil had already observed in August that “Trump is like a machine learning algorithm” that adjusts to public reactions. On the day of the third presidential debate between Trump and Clinton, Trump’s team blasted out 175,000 distinct variations on his arguments, mostly via Facebook. The messages varied mostly in their microscopic details, in order to communicate optimally with their recipients: different titles, colors, subtitles, with different images or videos. The granularity of this message tailoring digs all the way down to tiny target groups, Nix explained to Das Magazin. “We can target specific towns or apartment buildings. Even individual people.”
In the Miami neighborhood of Little Haiti, Cambridge Analytica regaled residents with messages about the failures of the Clinton Foundation after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, in order to dissuade them from turning out for Clinton. This was one of the goals: to get potential but wavering Clinton voters—skeptical leftists, African-Americans, young women—to stay home. To “suppress” their votes, as one Trump campaign staffer bluntly put it. In these so-called dark posts (paid Facebook ads which appear in the timelines only of users with a particular suitable personality profile), African-Americans, for example, are shown the nineties-era video of Hillary Clinton referring to black youth as “super predators.”
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And the company took even more radical measures: starting in July 2016, a new app was prepared for Trump campaign canvassers with which they could find out the political orientation and personality profile of a particular house’s residents in advance. If the Trump people ring a doorbell, it’s only the doorbell of someone the app has identified as receptive to his messages, and the canvassers can base their line of attack on personality-specific conversation guides also provided by the app. Then they enter a subject’s reactions to certain messaging back into the app, from where this new data flows back to the control rooms of Cambridge Analytica.
The company divided the US population into 32 personality types, and concentrated on only seventeen states. And just as Kosinski had determined that men who like MAC cosmetics on Facebook are probably gay, Cambridge Analytica found that a predeliction for American-produced cars is the best predictor of a possible Trump voter. Among other things, this kind of knowledge can inform Trump himself which messages to use, and where. The decision to focus candidate visits in Michigan and Wisconsin over the final weeks of the campaign was based on this manner of data analysis. The candidate himself became an implementation instrument of the model.
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It is therefore not at all the case, as is so often claimed, that statisticians lost this election because their polls were so faulty. The opposite is true: statisticians won this election. It was just certain statisticians, the ones using the new method. It is a cruel irony of history that Trump, such a detractor of science, won the election thanks to science.
Another big winner in the election was Cambridge Analytica. Steve Bannon, a Cambridge Analytica board member and publisher of the ultra-rightwing online site Breitbart News, was named Trump’s chief strategist. Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, ambitious Front National activist and niece of the presidential candidate, has tweeted that she has accepted the firm’s invitation to collaborate. In an internal company video, there is a live recording of a discussion entitled “Italy.” Alexander Nix confirms that he is in the process of client acquisition, worldwide. They have received inquiries out of Switzerland and Germany.
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The world has been turned upside down. The Brits are leaving the EU; Trump rules America. It all began with one man, who indeed tried to warn of the danger, and who still gets accusatory emails. “No,” says Kosinski quietly, shaking his head, “this is not my fault. I did not build the bomb. I just showed that it was there.”
Wow, Trump got them HUDs.

      
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