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04-06-2017 , 09:03 AM

#24701

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Pie eating contest.

Republican rule change in 2015 so fat old white guys could win the whole government?

04-06-2017 , 09:05 AM

#24702

raradevils

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

It really wasn't. The places where people live are all solidly blue. The red areas are rural and sparsely populated.

So it was the same as the rest of the country.

04-06-2017 , 09:11 AM

#24703

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I agree with all three of your statements but they don't change my conclusion that Kushner's chances are better than people think. (Part of our disagreement stems from the fact that non orthodox Jews are not really Jews in many religious Jews eyes.)

I think the disagreement stems from stealing land and killing Palestinians

04-06-2017 , 09:22 AM

#24704

Rococo

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Please name even one right wing position that you think I hold?

My guess is that your politics lean libertarian, but your posting style in this forum leans toward the Socratic, so it's hard to know exactly what you believe.

04-06-2017 , 09:29 AM

#24705

Rococo

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

I think the disagreement stems from stealing land and killing Palestinians

This is too simplistic also. A durable two-state solution does not serve the individual self interests or psychological needs of many Israelis and many Palestinians. This has been a persistent impediment to real negotiations for as long as I can remember.

04-06-2017 , 09:32 AM

#24706

Csaba

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The cost of the Mar-a-Lago visits to the taxpayer and local businesses

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39497447

04-06-2017 , 09:32 AM

#24707

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

Two state, one state, whatever!

04-06-2017 , 09:38 AM

#24708

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by Rococo

But the fact remains Israel is stealing land based on some sky fairy stories.

In 100 years, they will have taken over most of the land.

Also, the crimes against the Palestinians are truly horrid

04-06-2017 , 09:45 AM

#24709

BlueWillow

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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/house...ports-say.html

LOL

another - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/t..._medium=social

More LOL

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04-06-2017 , 09:48 AM

#24710

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Obviously you are joking. But sometimes I wonder whether people realize that I am in favor of things like gun control, gay marriage, a much higher top tax rate and lots of other stuff along those lines. I can't think of even one thing where I agree with right wingers. So name one please.

You support stop and frisk, a system of tiered constitutional protections by race.

04-06-2017 , 09:50 AM

#24711

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

Would any of you neoliberals frothing at the mouth for war in Syria care to engage in a lively skype debate? You will be compensated and share rights. PM me.

LOL my dude for a BLM dance party attending progressive you sound pretty much exactly like Mike Cernovich.

04-06-2017 , 09:58 AM

#24712

fatkid

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Originally Posted by BlueWillow

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/house...ports-say.html

LOL

another - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/t..._medium=social

More LOL

Oh great Gowdy is taking over.

“Several leftwing activist groups have filed accusations against me with the Office of Congressional Ethics,” Nunes of Penis said Thursday in an emailed statement.

Ha heh lol

04-06-2017 , 10:00 AM

#24713

Sighsalot

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andddd booooooom goes the dynamite!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-probe-236951

04-06-2017 , 10:08 AM

#24714

champstark

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if Gowdy is taking over, it's going to be even worse, so I wouldn't get so excited about this

04-06-2017 , 10:09 AM

#24715

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Originally Posted by champstark

if Gowdy is taking over, it's going to be even worse, so I wouldn't get so excited about this

It's clearly a GOP tactic for the base. Dude led 33 hearings on Ben Gazi so they will believe anything he says.

04-06-2017 , 10:10 AM

#24716

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by superleeds

I wonder if Trumps new found empathy with poisoned children will be reflected in the actions of the EPA now.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

yyeeessss! drawing even the semblance of a comparison between a chemical weapons attack on children and pollution is a great win for progressives! A+ would read again.

04-06-2017 , 10:15 AM

#24717

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RIP Nunes

04-06-2017 , 10:22 AM

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Just to clarify -

Republicans and the WH think that the "unmasking" is the crime and everyone else thinks that the Trump admin committing treason is the crime? Right?

I've been spending a lot of time driving through different **** towns in eastern Washington and Oregon the last few weeks. I occasionally throw on conservative radio to kill the time. Yesterday, Hannity was saying that he believe Rice and others will be in jail because of the "unmasking". They are just stupid right? Like how does everyone on the right not understand that the reason Trump people were unmasked is because they were talking with ****ing Russian operatives?

04-06-2017 , 10:25 AM

#24719

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Originally Posted by JPantz

Because Trumpkins are stupid.

I think the WH knows they are cooked and need to create the narrative that it's the damn librul media's fault so when Trump TV takes off, they have a healthy base dumb enough to shell out $10/mo.

04-06-2017 , 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by einbert

Here's an idea. Somebody with actual diplomatic experience, somebody that's actually experienced in government, somebody who has fought and won incredibly tough battles in the political world. Somebody like that instead of Kushner might, just might have a better shot at success diplomatically.

Also it would probably have a better chance of success without 45* defunding the State Dept like a mad dog:
Trump wants to slash State Department budget by 28 percent, shift money to defense
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=46151210

pfff... next thing you'll be telling us how that black reporter might not be the perfect person to ask about setting up a meeting between the President of the United States and the Congressional Black Caucus.

In David's defense, I have no idea how -ist the Israeli polis involved are. I have to admit, if I were choosing someone to negotiate with the Trump administration, I might consider that element and send in whatever sadistic doughy old white male was available.

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04-06-2017 , 10:31 AM

#24721

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JPantz

RIP Nunes

Somehow I don't think Trump will be too hard on this "leaker".

04-06-2017 , 10:36 AM

#24722

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

yyeeessss! drawing even the semblance of a comparison between a chemical weapons attack on children and pollution is a great win for progressives! A+ would read again.

Hooker here is Hooker Chemical, which became Occidental Chemical.

Quote:

In April 1952, after discussing the sale of the land with Ansley Wilcox II, Hooker's in-house legal counsel, Klaussen then wrote to the company president, R.L. Murray, suggesting that the sale could alleviate them from future liabilities for the buried chemicals:

“ The more we thought about it, the more interested Wilcox and I became in the proposition, and finally came to the conclusion that the Love Canal property is rapidly becoming a liability because of housing projects in the near vicinity of our property. A school, however, could be built in the center unfilled section (with chemicals underground). We became convinced that it would be a wise move to turn this property over to the schools provided we could not be held responsible for future claims or damages resulting from underground storage of chemicals.[15][19]

Would pictures of the victims of Love Canal make it a better comparison?

04-06-2017 , 10:41 AM

#24723

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Nunes says change is temporary. NPR says replacement is Conaway.

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House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes says he is temporarily stepping aside from the committee's probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Nunes will remain as the committee's chairman and remain involved in other matters before the panel. Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Texas, will take lead on the Russia investigation.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...m-russia-probe

04-06-2017 , 10:49 AM

#24724

Chippa58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uDevil

Nunes says change is temporary. NPR says replacement is Conaway.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...m-russia-probe

The word temporary is a little confusing. I think he's done with the Russia probe permanently, but not done as Committee Chair as it relates to other issues.

04-06-2017 , 10:51 AM

#24725

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by microbet

Hooker here is Hooker Chemical, which became Occidental Chemical.

Would pictures of the victims of Love Canal make it a better comparison?

I get Tsao's point that enviromental damage isn't the equivalent of purposefully killing people horrendously, but still it was interesting looking up chemical cloud incidents and how many people died to them

Quote:

The Great Smog of 1952, sometimes called The Big Smoke , was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

..... Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London

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The 1948 Donora smog was a historic air inversion that resulted in a wall of smog that killed 20 people and sickened 7,000 more in Donora, Pennsylvania, a mill town on the Monongahela River, 24 miles (39 km) southeast of Pittsburgh. The event is commemorated by the Donora Smog Museum.

Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history". Even 10 years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog

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The Bhopal disaster, also referred to as the Bhopal gas tragedy, was a gas leak incident in India, considered the world's worst industrial disaster.

It occurred on the night of 2–3 December 1984 at the Union Carbide India Limited (UCIL) pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh. Over 500,000 people were exposed to methyl isocyanate (MIC) gas and other chemicals. The highly toxic substance made its way into and around the shanty towns located near the plant.

Estimates vary on the death toll. The official immediate death toll was 2,259. The government of Madhya Pradesh confirmed a total of 3,787 deaths related to the gas release. A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries. Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks, and another 8,000 or more have since died from gas-related diseases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

I'm sure if I kept looking I could find a ton of Superfund sites where companies either intentionally or through neglect poisoned an area. Hard to say that a company, either through intention or neglect, poisoning an area and its people isn't too much different than using chemical weapons on them. Though obviously we don't treat them the same way because of the different circumstances.

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