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04-05-2017 , 02:58 PM
This is from a couple days ago and most of the reaction was confusion/mockery

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...57910297980928

was just reminded that this is another case of Trump accusing others of his own wrongdoings
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In "Settle for More," the Fox News anchor writes that Trump had angrily called Fox executives the day before the first GOP debate, saying he had heard that her first question was "a very pointed question directed at him," according to The New York Times.

Kelly would go on to ask Trump about his history of using disparaging language about women, kicking off a feud between the two.
It was the question where Trump was asked about, you've had a history of denigrating women, calling them pigs... and he interrupted with "Only Rosie O'Donnell!" and the crowd laughed, and Trump was applauded by pundits for his stellar political skills... it was phony.
04-05-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Mandatory filibuster meme:
if i were to participate in a filibuster i would print and read out this thread, including the trolls.
04-05-2017 , 03:03 PM
57onRed often makes some posts showing how awful he is, then disappears and you'll nazi him around for a while.
04-05-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
She's famously Republican, isn't that putting money before LGBT rights?
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Originally Posted by einbert
I am genuinely confused by this post. Why do you think Caitlin Jenner is a Republican?
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
He voted for Trump.


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Sorry, didn't have the context, having a bad morning, will read more and post less.
04-05-2017 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Einbert,

How do you feel about the confirmation of Gorsuch by Hillary, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and Barack Obama? If your extreme feelings and assertions are even close to reality, what were all of those dems possibly thinking confirming such an unqualified, immoral, ass backwards madman?

Just a lot of white male affirmative action from Obama and Clinton I guess?
well we have more information about this guy now. approximately 10 more years of decisions. by your logic anyone confirmed to the circuit is a shoe-in for scotus.
04-05-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The Trump kayfab with the mainstream media





http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...rump-war-media
This is okay, but it has too much of the suggestion that Trump is playing 3D chess with the media. The truth is that he recognizes the "fake news" NYT and Washington Post are American institutions. They have been around his whole life, and they were the papers he read before they started looking carefully at him. He wants desperately for the credible news media to view him favorably, which is why he gives them exclusives and puts on his indoor voice when talking to them.
04-05-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This is okay, but it has too much of the suggestion that Trump is playing 3D chess with the media. The truth is that he recognizes the "fake news" NYT and Washington Post are American institutions. They have been around his whole life, and they were the papers he read before they started looking carefully at him. He wants desperately for the credible news media to view him favorably, which is why he gives them exclusives and puts on his indoor voice when talking to them.
I think it's part of this, but the Conservative kayfab goes way back and beyond Trump. I'll have to go back and find the article to illustrate one specific point, but during the election year reporters noticed that all these Conservative politicians that supposedly hated the "mainstream media" were also the ones most likely to pal around with them. Ted Cruz brought reporters donuts, and went back and forth with them, Santorum and Huckabee courted reporters as much as they could, meanwhile Clinton and Sanders actively disliked the media.

They kayfab is for the rubes and is set up for the dynamic that the article lays out. Conservatives can plead their case to the normals in the mainstream media and tell their captive audience to ignore what they don't want them to digest from the non Conservative media.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 04-05-2017 at 03:24 PM.
04-05-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Sound familiar?
just another coincidence that suspiciously LOOKS like covert coordination between the putin and trump regimes
04-05-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
just another coincidence that suspiciously LOOKS like covert coordination between the putin and trump regimes
lol. Trump's statements on Obama failing in Syria are public!
04-05-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
lol. Trump's statements on Obama failing in Syria are public!
you're right. it's blatantly overt coordination at this point.
04-05-2017 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Also enjoys American culture:

king abdullah for president.
04-05-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Yeah lets start mass producing chemical weapons and atomic bombs and lets allow them to be traded & sold.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
the whole point of my post is that its terrible to produce ANY weapons,I have no idea how u understood the above from my post.
I guess no one saw the effects of radiations and nukes on people but I dont see how better it is than chemicals.
also 60M americans at least,think its good to build more nukes.

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4) A clean kill with firearms limits unnecessary suffering. There is no clean kill without suffering with chemical weapons.
My bad I didnt take into account that there were no wounded cause of guns.
you can argue how much you want about the subject,a drone attack or lets say the bombing that made 200 dead recently,it wasnt that clean.

I obviously have no idea about what im talking about but somehow I feel Im not alone here theorizing on things.

There hundreds of conflicts zones in the world,and and getting involved in a foreign country doesnt strike me as pure intentions from USA most of the time.
There is a massive difference between responding to an allied country to defend from an invader,and invading a country to change said country regime.
04-05-2017 , 03:44 PM
Regardless of the difference between gas and conventional attacks and Obama's, Trump's or whatever any of us would choose to do in reaction to Assad's gas attack, there's still the fact that Trump killed more civilians in Syria in March than ISIS or Russia. Assad still edged him out, but not by much.
04-05-2017 , 03:49 PM
Re: Gorsuch

He is not an extremist.

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Originally Posted by WhiteHouse.gov
• In the more than 2,700 cases he has participated in on the 10th Circuit, 97 percent of them have been unanimously decided. He was in the majority 99 percent of the time.
• He has the lowest rate of other judges dissenting from his opinions on the 10th Circuit. ◦ According to CRS, only 1.5 percent of Judge Gorsuch’s majority opinions were accompanied by a dissent—the lowest of any judge in the study.

• The Supreme Court has never overruled an opinion Judge Gorsuch authored, and only one time in the more than 2700 cases he participated in, has the Supreme Court overruled an opinion where Judge Gorsuch sat on the panel.
• In 2006, the Senate unanimously confirmed Judge Gorsuch by voice vote to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
You may question the source, but the same figures ran in NYT and WaPo without dispute. Gorsuch would not even be the most conservative member of the court. Before anyone brings up the frozen truck driver, bosses being able to fire anyone at any time because freedom is bog standard conservative orthodoxy.

In a hypothetical 2016-2017 where Merrick Garland was confirmed, Marco Rubio won the election with no funny business, and RBG died in January, Gorsuch should absolutely be confirmed.

Whatever I know no one cares about integrity or consistency, but it sets a terrible precedent to be like "we reject him because of his extreme views which are totally standard for his party that makes up almost half the country," especially when that's not even the real reason.
04-05-2017 , 03:50 PM
Whether Trump was responsible for killing civilians or not, we do know that he promised as much (targeting families) during his campaign.
04-05-2017 , 03:52 PM
i dont care what the **** a neil gorsuch is, he's not merrick garland
04-05-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
the whole point of my post is that its terrible to produce ANY weapons,I have no idea how u understood the above from my post.
I guess no one saw the effects of radiations and nukes on people but I dont see how better it is than chemicals.
also 60M americans at least,think its good to build more nukes.
You do realize that there is nobody serious out there saying "hey all these nukes we have, why don't we use them?" right? And that everybody is aware of the horrors that were caused when the world used nukes on cities? Everyone regards it as one of the most black pages of our history. I agree that the USA and Russia are a bit obsessive about their nukes but neither party really wants to use them. We all know they both had plenty of opportunities in modern history.

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My bad I didnt take into account that there were no wounded cause of guns.
you can argue how much you want about the subject,a drone attack or lets say the bombing that made 200 dead recently,it wasnt that clean.

I obviously have no idea about what im talking about but somehow I feel Im not alone here theorizing on things.

There hundreds of conflicts zones in the world,and and getting involved in a foreign country doesnt strike me as pure intentions from USA most of the time.
There is a massive difference between responding to an allied country to defend from an invader,and invading a country to change said country regime.
I don't have to argue bombs vs chemical weapons, your argument was clearly that firearms are just as bad. Fwiw there is a major difference between the bombs official armed forces use in conflict and the bombs terrorist groups et cetera use. The type of bombs you are referring to are also illegal. I do agree drone strikes are very problematic and should probably be illegal as well but that isn't an argument to say "et alors?" about chemical weapons.

The recent type of argumentation of not judging x because y exists is a very irritating fallacy. Literally any **** you dare complain about that can be argued away using that type of arguments. "You dare complain about x? Look at y, clearly a ****tier situation than you are in. Why you complaining?"

I also agree that USAs foreign policy is a disaster (which is what you are referring to I assume) but everybody always uses that to say that any type of invasion is bad. That is an oversimplification and not true.
04-05-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Why is it white people are so goddamned eager to support Gorsuch, even people who supposedly don't align with his extreme politics? Is it that they see their own white privilege as directly attached to his white mediocre fate, and fear that they will actually have to sharpen up and improve if they lose that white privilege edge?
This is absolute insanity. What are you talking about?
04-05-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i dont care what the **** a neil gorsuch is, he's not merrick garland
Yeah I agree, and I've said this a million times. But that's the only reason (well that and **** Trump). All of this flailing around to find other reasons "Holy ****, he copied some facts! --> Intellectually bankrupt, not fit to serve," are not only absurd, but also a waste of time and disingenuous.
04-05-2017 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Whether Trump was responsible for killing civilians or not, we do know that he promised as much (targeting families) during his campaign.
Yes, it is clear that we have to hope that Trump does as little as possible when it comes to armed conflicts. It's probably better for the world to let everyone else deal with that **** for 4 years, even though that will certainly result in tragedy as well.
04-05-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Re: Gorsuch

He is not an extremist.



You may question the source, but the same figures ran in NYT and WaPo without dispute. Gorsuch would not even be the most conservative member of the court. Before anyone brings up the frozen truck driver, bosses being able to fire anyone at any time because freedom is bog standard conservative orthodoxy.

In a hypothetical 2016-2017 where Merrick Garland was confirmed, Marco Rubio won the election with no funny business, and RBG died in January, Gorsuch should absolutely be confirmed.

Whatever I know no one cares about integrity or consistency, but it sets a terrible precedent to be like "we reject him because of his extreme views which are totally standard for his party that makes up almost half the country," especially when that's not even the real reason.
Gorsuch is absolutely extreme. The Supreme Court ruled against him UNANIMOUSLY during his own confirmation hearings.


https://twitter.com/G_N_Huftalen_Jr/...36651074744322
04-05-2017 , 04:07 PM
Gorsuch has an extreme right-wing worldview. He would be positioned well to the right of Scalia:

https://twitter.com/ilyseh/status/848733980442509312
04-05-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Yeah I agree, and I've said this a million times. But that's the only reason (well that and **** Trump). All of this flailing around to find other reasons "Holy ****, he copied some facts! --> Intellectually bankrupt, not fit to serve," are not only absurd, but also a waste of time and disingenuous.
Why is everyone in a hurry to overlook the plagiarism charge? Particularly in a SCOTUS nomination? Isn't doing academic work pretty much what those guys do all the time? Why wouldn't you hold him accountable for doing shoddy work?
04-05-2017 , 04:09 PM
538 analysis indicates that Gorsuch would be more conservative than the extreme Antonin Scalia. This guy is WAY out of the judicial mainstream, make no doubt about it:

How Trump’s Nominee Will Alter The Supreme Court
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wo...ll&w=575&ssl=1
04-05-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm under the impression that BroadwaySushy is an old brit. Maybe his Dad was Oswald Mosley and that's why he is so sympatico with Gorka.
Rather than tilt at windmills you might be better advised to focus on how your fabulous USA#1 is going to rid itself of the fascist it elected as President despite the checks and balances of the founding fathers we've heard so much about over the years from blind patriots who couldn't see that the lineage of GOP Presidents from Nixon onwards was leading inexorably to a fascist POTUS.

Once you've done that, try to work out what changes need to be made to USA#1's patently unfair electoral system and its horribly flawed form of representative democracy that allowed a fascist to become President.

Or you could continue trying to blame another country for the existence of Trump supporters like BS, because USA#1.

      
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