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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-05-2017 , 09:52 AM
Oh yeah and the President is under investigation for potential treasonous actions. We don't know what happened yet, but we are going to change the rules for a lifetime appointment while the investigation is just beginning? That's insane. How would we remove him from the bench if it turns out 45* is illegitimate, as many suspect? Is there even a mechanism in the Constitution for that?
04-05-2017 , 09:52 AM
Plagarism should be a big deal for a SCOTUS nominee. More can be read about it here: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-court-236891
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Howard, the Syracuse University professor, said Gorsuch engaged in a practice known as “patchwriting” — essentially patching together words, fact sequences and quotes from another source, but occasionally changing up phrasing and tenses.

In addition to “heavy patchwriting,” Howard said, Gorsuch “hides his sources, which gives the appearance of a very deliberate method. I would certainly call it plagiarism.”
Gorsuch took passages from other sources, changed them slightly, then did not attribute:
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In describing euthanasia activist Derek Humphry, Gorsuch’s book tracks closely with a 2003 book titled, “A Merciful End: The Euthanasia Movement in Modern America,” by Ian Dowbiggin.

“In 1989 Humphry left his second wife, Ann Wickett, soon after she had undergone surgery for breast cancer. During the divorce, Wicket alleged that when Humphry purported to help her mother commit suicide, the resulting death was not fully consensual,” Gorsuch wrote.

Dowbiggin wrote: “In 1989 he left his second wife, Ann Wickett, shortly after she had undergone surgery for breast cancer. Their subsequent divorce was made messier by Wickett’s allegations that her mother had not died willingly when Humphry had participated in the suicides of her own parent,” Dowbiggin wrote.
04-05-2017 , 09:55 AM
Okay for a manager of Arby's. Not okay for a Justice to the goddamned Supreme Court.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-court-236891
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However, six experts on academic integrity contacted independently by POLITICO differed in their assessment of what Gorsuch did, ranging from calling it a clear impropriety to mere sloppiness.

“Each of the individual incidents constitutes a violation of academic ethics. I've never seen a college plagiarism code that this would not be in violation of,” said Rebecca Moore Howard, a Syracuse University professor who has written extensively on the issue.
Elizabeth Berenguer, an associate professor of law at Campbell Law School, said that under legal or academic standards Gorsuch’s similarities to the Indiana Law Journal would be investigated “as a potential violation of our plagiarism policy. It’s similar enough to the original work.”

“I would apply an academic writing standard,” said Berenguer, who teaches plagiarism and legal writing. “Even if it were a legal opinion, it would be plagiarism under either.”
04-05-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
She co-ran a business entirely predicated on putting smaller competitors OUT of business. She's just as uniquely unqualified as most of the rest of them.
There are many good reasons to oppose Linda McMahon's appointment. This is not one of them. Many small business owners would gladly put their direct competitors out of business for obvious reasons. That's hardly surprisingly.
04-05-2017 , 09:56 AM
Why is it white people are so goddamned eager to support Gorsuch, even people who supposedly don't align with his extreme politics? Is it that they see their own white privilege as directly attached to his white mediocre fate, and fear that they will actually have to sharpen up and improve if they lose that white privilege edge?
04-05-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This is Obama's seat to fill, not 45*'s. We will never ever forget that.
It's the American people's seat to fill.

Former presidents don't have a role in the process. Consider putting the American people first before your partisan desires.
04-05-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
How is this plagiarism getting a pass from people who are supposed to value academic principles and ethics? This is not something that's okay, guys. Again, I ask, what the **** does "well-qualified" mean other than that he's a handsome and harmless looking white guy? His rulings are so far outside of the mainstream, he's an extremist. He's a heartless automaton who has shown no ability whatsoever to rule in a human way. He will enable lobbyists, big corporations, and people like the Koch brothers to have even more out-of-state influence on local elections, ruining our democracy even further. He will attack women's rights and abortion rights, and he won't stand up for workers. This guy is absolutely a joke and he would be completely unacceptable if he were a Democrat. I really don't get why people feel the need to have such a double standard. Do mediocre conservative white people really need an advantage this badly?
Well qualified means the obvious. He went to a great law school and excelled there. He clerked for the Supreme Court. He worked at a good firm. He worked in the government before becoming a judge. He currently is a federal circuit court judge. That is a very standard background for a Supreme Court nominee.

If you want to argue that he's extreme or that he's dishonest, that's a different argument.

As for the plagiarism charge, that's a gray area. The reality is that what Gorsuch did happens all the time -- that is, changing the language but failing to provide a source for factual events that you read about in someone else's work. It's certainly not best practice for an academic, but those sorts of attributions are rarely made in journalistic writing.

The bottom line is that there is a big difference (at least to me) between paraphrasing someone else's ideas and analysis and paraphrasing a description of factual events.
04-05-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
It's the American people's seat to fill.

Former presidents don't have a role in the process. Consider putting the American people first before your partisan desires.
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04-05-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
It's the American people's seat to fill.

Former presidents don't have a role in the process. Consider putting the American people first before your partisan desires.

People voting for Obama > people voting for Romney

People voting for Hillary > people voting for Cheeto


what else you got
04-05-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Why is it white people are so goddamned eager to support Gorsuch, even people who supposedly don't align with his extreme politics? Is it that they see their own white privilege as directly attached to his white mediocre fate, and fear that they will actually have to sharpen up and improve if they lose that white privilege edge?
Who are the white Democrats who are so eager to support Gorsuch? Every white Democrat is the Senate is probably going to vote against him.
04-05-2017 , 10:15 AM
Why are you guys responding to that drivel?
04-05-2017 , 10:15 AM
Well-qualified means affirmative action for white people. This guy is an intellectual scrub along the lines of Paul Ryan, but because he's white and he went to an elite school (so did Trump btw. That doesn't make him smart. It means he comes from a certain pedigree, more likely) we automatically consider him a lock for the job. What a joke.
04-05-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Who are the white Democrats who are so eager to support Gorsuch? Every white Democrat is the Senate is probably going to vote against him.
Well Manchin for one. But I'm more referring to commentators and people I've engaged in conversations more than the actual Senators.

Anyway that's my rant. I'll take a break and let someone else take up some oxygen in the room for awhile. /whiteprivilegerant
04-05-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Sen. Jeff Merkley has been holding the floor since 6:45 last night and he's still going. If you want to see a real live filibuster (for all the right reasons) here's your chance:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?426283...omination&live
I wonder how many people have opted for the 'Watch from the beginning' option?
04-05-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
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Originally Posted by poconoder
It's the American people's seat to fill.

Former presidents don't have a role in the process. Consider putting the American people first before your partisan desires.
People voting for Obama > people voting for Romney

People voting for Hillary > people voting for Cheeto


what else you got
Failed presidential candidates don't have a role in the process either.
04-05-2017 , 10:20 AM
Mandatory filibuster meme:
04-05-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
It's the American people's seat to fill.

Former presidents don't have a role in the process. Consider putting the American people first before your partisan desires.
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Failed presidential candidates don't have a role in the process either.
What about Russian internet trolls?
04-05-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Well-qualified means affirmative action for white people. This guy is an intellectual scrub along the lines of Paul Ryan, but because he's white and he went to an elite school (so did Trump btw. That doesn't make him smart. It means he comes from a certain pedigree, more likely) we automatically consider him a lock for the job. What a joke.
I don't know what to tell you. Supreme Court clerkships are incredibly coveted in the legal profession and incredibly difficult to obtain. Any lawyer will tell you the same thing. I've never met Gorsuch, but I've met a bunch of Supreme Court clerks over the course of my life. Only one would I describe as being of mediocre intelligence, and as best I can tell, she was hired because she was a family friend of the justice.

And don't jump to any conclusions. This isn't my subtle way of telling you that I clerked, or could have clerked, for the Supreme Court. I didn't, and I couldn't have gotten the job even if I had tried for it.
04-05-2017 , 10:29 AM
Gorsuch's education and credentials are vastly superior to Trump and Ryan and the analogy is not great. Ryan is a faux intellectual scrub. Having not met Gorsuch I can't say but I'd strongly bet against him being Paul Ryan style dumb.
04-05-2017 , 10:30 AM
Robert Reich has posted a video of his four grounds to impeach Trump. Criticizing the press is one of them, so take with a grain of salt. Short fun video to watch.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/vid...6274210718503/
04-05-2017 , 10:32 AM
He's still an extremist political hack. He's far outside of the judicial mainstream and would be rotten to the core for the American people.
04-05-2017 , 10:35 AM
Gorsuch is a core part of the GOP's plan to control all branches of government while never winning popular votes, never doing anything for the people, and never having to listen to certain segments of the population (black people, people of color, women, atheists, muslims, LGBT people, and more). He's a huge step back for humanity. And I still don't know of any mechanism in the Constitution that we would use to remove him from the bench when/if 45* is removed from office for treason. Can anyone answer that question? Unless such a mechanism is clear, there's no way this guy can be seated.
04-05-2017 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Gorsuch is a core part of the GOP's plan to control all branches of government while never winning popular votes, never doing anything for the people, and never having to listen to certain segments of the population (black people, people of color, women, atheists, muslims, LGBT people, and more). He's a huge step back for humanity. And I still don't know of any mechanism in the Constitution that we would use to remove him from the bench when/if 45* is removed from office for treason. Can anyone answer that question? Unless such a mechanism is clear, there's no way this guy can be seated.
45* is going to finish his term and may even be re-elected.
04-05-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I've met a bunch of Supreme Court clerks over the course of my life. Only one would I describe as being of mediocre intelligence, and as best I can tell, she was hired because she was a family friend of the justice.
Gorsuch graduated cum laude from Harvard Law. That distinction means he was between the 60th-90th percentiles for his graduating class i.e. not the very top (Obama was magna cum laude, 90th percentile+). Maybe he has risen above his talents because his mom was EPA administrator under Reagan and consequently he has conservative bonafides by birth.
04-05-2017 , 10:47 AM
I see a lot of disrespect for the 120+ million people who took the time and effort to cast a vote several months ago. That's sad.

      
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