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04-04-2017 , 05:58 PM

#24151

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Was Obama president for this gas attack?

No. But he was when he issued his red-line ultimatum. That was what I was referring to.

I thought that was obvious.

04-04-2017 , 05:59 PM

#24152

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No. But he was when he issued his red-line ultimatum. That was what I was referring to.

I thought that was obvious.

Cool? So, what was Trump working on to prevent this attack?

04-04-2017 , 06:00 PM

#24153

einbert

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There's a huge campaign going on to take down Bill-O's advertisers. So far I think like 16 major advertisers that have dropped him:

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/sta...70086020448258

04-04-2017 , 06:02 PM

#24154

Riverman

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The chemical weapons videos are horrific. Assad is one of the worst people in the entire world. Maybe ever.

04-04-2017 , 06:06 PM

#24155

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Cool? So, what was Trump working on to prevent this attack?

No idea.

But if Obama hadn't backed down from his red-line ultimatum this attack probably wouldn't have happened.

04-04-2017 , 06:07 PM

#24156

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No. But he was when he issued his red-line ultimatum. That was what I was referring to.

I thought that was obvious.

Bush was President when he pledged to hunt down and kill bin Laden.

Did Obama just stand around like a little ***** pointing that out, or did he get that mother****er?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No idea.

But if Obama hadn't backed down from his red-line ultimatum this attack probably wouldn't have happened.

Cool, so Trump's had 60whatever days to show how tough he is by enforcing a red line or whatever and didn't.

04-04-2017 , 06:08 PM

#24157

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

When asked why strong criticisms of Trump from liberals was "intellectually bankrupt", this is the response I got from a principled, passionate ACist I know IRL.

FWIW, I don't think it's unfair.

"The dishonesty is in the selective hysteria. How many of the people who went out into the streets to protest Trumps temporary Muslim ban had been silent for 8 years while Obama bombed those very same people who were jammed up at the airport? Why did they all of a sudden start giving a **** about them once it was the dude they hate giving them greif rather than the really cool guy who says all the nice things?

I have seen well educated highly intelligent people declare that Trump is the end of the Constitutional Republic, but they were all silent when Obama assumed the power to assassinate American citizens without any due process.

People are wringing their hands over Trumps reckless escalations in the middle east, but none of them seemed to care when Obama was helping the Saudis starve and bomb Yemen into submission.

People are afraid (laughably) that Trump is in cahoots with the Russians( who are not our enemies anyway), meanwhile no one seems to care that Obama, and Bush before him, had been supplying weapons to Syrian rebels allied with al Qaeda and ISIS, who really are our enemies.

The outrage is so selective it just comes off as infantile tantrums from sore losers, which is tragic because there is so much room for real effective criticism of this cheeseypoof."

Your racist friend is racist as ****.

04-04-2017 , 06:11 PM

#24158

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No idea.

But if Obama hadn't backed down from his red-line ultimatum this attack probably wouldn't have happened.

lol, and if Trump wasn't completely incompetent it probably wouldn't have happened either.

04-04-2017 , 06:13 PM

#24159

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No. But he was when he issued his red-line ultimatum. That was what I was referring to.

I thought that was obvious.

You are the party of personal responsibility. Why didn't your party do anything to stop today's attack? Sad!

What is your party planning to do so that attacks like this do not occur again?

04-04-2017 , 06:24 PM

#24160

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

The chemical weapons videos are horrific. Assad is one of the worst people in the entire world. Maybe ever.

HastenDan and Tulsi Gabbard think he deserves to stay in power because there's nothing we can do about it.

04-04-2017 , 06:25 PM

#24161

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

What is your party planning to do so that attacks like this do not occur again?

Looks like the can't beat em join em strategy.

04-04-2017 , 06:28 PM

#24162

Pwn_Master

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Trump loves dictators and the use of chemical weapons:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-again-n604411

That is why Assad knew he could use chemical weapons on children again and Sushi is smart enough to know this. Sushi, how does it feel to sell your soul for a few hundred bucks in tax cuts? Good, I assume?

04-04-2017 , 06:36 PM

#24163

Riverman

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I mean I like to think I'm a pretty principled liberal but if I'm in charge I wouldn't even blink at ordering 20 years of continuous torture or something similarly awful for Assad. I don't know how a human being can be that evil.

04-04-2017 , 06:38 PM

#24164

stinkubus

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Just extend your hatred for Assad to anyone who stands in the way of your goals. Then you'll understand.

04-04-2017 , 06:41 PM

#24165

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

No idea.

But if Obama hadn't backed down from his red-line ultimatum this attack probably wouldn't have happened.

If Obama was still president this attack probably wouldn't have happened. Party of personal responsibility my ass, your water-carrying for an impotent president who isn't going to do **** about this is pathetic.

04-04-2017 , 06:45 PM

#24166

RV Life

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Lovely.

"The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table," the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration's efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea's nuclear program.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politi...ina/index.html

It's not like the leader of NK is erratic or anything.

04-04-2017 , 06:45 PM

#24167

einbert

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Wow. Just wow.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...35453031563264

04-04-2017 , 06:47 PM

#24168

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Well, yes actually.

He had a chance to stop it before Russia got heavily involved but his weak-kneed response to Assad crossing his "red-line" just emboldened Assad to carry on doing whatever he likes.

And no, the gas attacks didn't stop after Assad "turned over" his supplies.

I don't know how they do it where you're from, but it is unbecoming of an American President to pass the buck like that. Regardless of the situation, that is disgraceful, it shames the office, and, perhaps most importantly, it projects a weakness of leadership that does harm to the nation.

04-04-2017 , 06:48 PM

#24169

goofyballer

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Surely other bad actors around the world are going to be terrified into submission by Trump's excellent response here of blaming his predecessor for the evils of the world while taking zero responsibility for doing anything about them himself!

04-04-2017 , 06:50 PM

#24170

prana

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Those statements taken in context with his Muslim ban are chilling.

04-04-2017 , 06:53 PM

#24171

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Wow. Just wow.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...35453031563264

A bit of context on this:

Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Goes to Trump Tower to Defend Assad
November 2016
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...end-assad.html

Quote:

Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard has been a rising star in progressive circles, which makes her meeting Monday with President-elect Donald Trump highly unusual, at least at first glance.

But the Hawaii congresswoman has also been a defender of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and Russia’s Vladimir Putin—stances that align with the incoming administration’s foreign policy.

Gabbard, a favorite of incoming White House senior counselor Steve Bannon, is the first congressional Democrat approached to have a face-to-face meeting with Trump—and the first Bernie Sanders supporter to do so as well. Sensing criticism from the left for taking a meeting with Trump, she put out a statement in which she justified her foreign policy meeting as necessary so that the left and right could find “common ground.”

But she also included pro-Assad apologia in the mix, arguing that the United States should not confront Russia because it could lead to conflict and indicating that the Assad regime should remain in place, calling any attempts to remove him as “illegal.”

“I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world,” Gabbard said. “It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al Qaeda, and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia which could result in a nuclear war.”

That might sound like standard issue progressive anti-war rhetoric, but coupled with her past statements and actions, it’s more of a plea to let Assad be. In March, for instance, Gabbard was the only Democrat and one of just three members of Congress to vote against a resolution condemning violence by the Assad regime against civilian populations.

And she has long been a defender of the Putin regime, writing for example in September 2015, on the first day of the Russian intervention in Syria, “[I]t’s mind-boggling that we protest Russia’s bombing of these terrorists.” Russia is responsible for attacking U.S.-backed opposition forces in Syria, an aid convoy delivering relief to civilians, and medical facilities.

By taking the meeting with Trump and making such a statement afterward, critics argue, Gabbard is giving the Trump administration the guise of bipartisan support for ignoring Assad’s war crimes, which include bombing civilian populations and the use of chemical weapons. Gabbard and Trump also see eye to eye on closing the door on refugees.

04-04-2017 , 06:58 PM

#24172

th14

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when Assad broke the red line, Obama went to Congress for authorization to use military force, and while it was being debated Assad acknowledged previously undisclosed weapons programs and offered to destroy them subject to U.N. oversight, the U.N. did destroy over 1300 tons of Assad's chemical weapons.

Assad did use chemical weapons a few more times during Obama's presidency but they were chlorine gas, which is not covered by sanctions because of its legitimate industrial uses, rather than the much more potent sarin gas he'd used previously.

The latest attack appears to be sarin again, now that Obama is gone and Trump is impotent.