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04-04-2017 , 03:34 PM
Clint Watts classifies InfoWars as a "gray" outlet. InfoWars (and Alex Jones) might be an unwitting agent of Russian propaganda, but he's definitely pushing Russian propaganda regularly.


Source: https://warontherocks.com/2016/11/tr...our-democracy/
04-04-2017 , 03:35 PM
Trump was against establishing a "red line" and, in fact, interfering with Syria at all.
04-04-2017 , 03:41 PM
'tis far nobler to do nothing than to attempt to use diplomacy and fail.
04-04-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12


Maybe someday we'll have a new president who will right all the horrible, horrible wrongs done by Obama.

Someday.
This just shows how clueless Trump is. He says one thing and then and blames Obama while being completely unaware that the rest of the civilized world loves Obama.

This is also foreshadowing to what his reaction is going to be when there's a terrorist attack on American soil. Obama is going to be blamed along w/ so called judges.

Last edited by RV Life; 04-04-2017 at 03:44 PM. Reason: dammit, I can't read
04-04-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12


Maybe someday we'll have a new president who will right all the horrible, horrible wrongs done by Obama.

Someday.

Can he just go one day without saying Obama or Hillary
04-04-2017 , 03:48 PM
It's great the news cycle has been taken over by villanizing Susan Rice. Obviously democrats can counteract by focusing on policy discussions. Lmao
04-04-2017 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I hope it goes without saying I think Putin is a murderous autocrat and I say that with full-knowledge that my ISP will now sell my internet history to the KGB in exchange for Putin making Ivanka Trump's brand the Official Clothier of the 2018 World Cup.

Also I think any investigations should continue and if Trump is as guilty as we all hope, he is thrown in prison.

Just note that this exchange with bobman proves the point, where he admits Russia is their weapon of choice against Trump because of how they fear most other avenues leads to too much popular will building behind leftist ideals and that's a real threat to moderate centrism and then wonder who's really the stooge on Russia/Trump: the people saying, you know, Trump is a catastrophic holistic failure whose epic screw-job against Americans might really prove a long-term ideological lesson, let's spend our time on areas that builds to lasting, durable political victories -- or the people carrying water for Bill Kristol.
Remember when you said why should we care about Russia meddling in the elections when so many people didn't vote? That was a good one.
04-04-2017 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Down
Even his own skin is trying to crawl away from his face.
He quite clearly got caught in the middle of trying to open The Ark of The Covenant.


p.s. I was surprised to not find an image comparison but this cat noticed:




Somebody did a Ken Starr though:

04-04-2017 , 03:57 PM
In the interest of fairness and equal time I present the other side of Trump's argument

04-04-2017 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Hey, remember when Trump paid a 25k bribe to Florida AG Pam Bondi to back off Trump U (which he did using donations to his "charitable" foundation)? The Cheeto has so many scandals it's easy to forget.
this is like the worst one too. it was just so blatant.

and yet everyone whined about the clinton foundation instead.
04-04-2017 , 04:03 PM
Trumps constant blaming of Obama and Hillary is so utterly pathetic. It's almost sad to see a man as powerful as the POTUS be so absolutely pathetic. I wonder how many times Obama blamed or even mentioned GWB his first few months in office.

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04-04-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
1) Huh, I wonder why that same prism of "being able to overlook moral failing for the greater good" wasn't applied to, I dunno, Hillary Rodham Clinton?

...
I didn't have the patience to get into and I'm not sure if Danny Boy still has me on ignore , but he really gave up the game with this one. I mean, come on now.
04-04-2017 , 04:14 PM
When asked why strong criticisms of Trump from liberals was "intellectually bankrupt", this is the response I got from a principled, passionate ACist I know IRL.

FWIW, I don't think it's unfair.

"The dishonesty is in the selective hysteria. How many of the people who went out into the streets to protest Trumps temporary Muslim ban had been silent for 8 years while Obama bombed those very same people who were jammed up at the airport? Why did they all of a sudden start giving a **** about them once it was the dude they hate giving them greif rather than the really cool guy who says all the nice things?

I have seen well educated highly intelligent people declare that Trump is the end of the Constitutional Republic, but they were all silent when Obama assumed the power to assassinate American citizens without any due process.

People are wringing their hands over Trumps reckless escalations in the middle east, but none of them seemed to care when Obama was helping the Saudis starve and bomb Yemen into submission.

People are afraid (laughably) that Trump is in cahoots with the Russians( who are not our enemies anyway), meanwhile no one seems to care that Obama, and Bush before him, had been supplying weapons to Syrian rebels allied with al Qaeda and ISIS, who really are our enemies.

The outrage is so selective it just comes off as infantile tantrums from sore losers, which is tragic because there is so much room for real effective criticism of this cheeseypoof."
04-04-2017 , 04:17 PM
ACist br0 is right, nobody on the left should ever say anything bad about Trump, ever, because Obama existed and did not always do things everyone liked.
04-04-2017 , 04:22 PM


FFS they can't even hit tee balls.
04-04-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
In Scooby Doo, the Scooby Gang didn't know who was under the mask before they pulled it off.
This is a good explanation.

From what I've read nat sec is allowed to ask who's under the mask and NSA or whoever can say no, but they said sure, it's various cheeto people.

Whether she did something wrong or not--it's not because of that but obviously it'll get morphed as the narrative.
04-04-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


FFS they can't even hit tee balls.
They are pro assad obviously. They're blatant and nobody's doing anything about it. I guess the outrage is they're not bothering with trying to hide it?

regarding another post--what is this russia isn't the enemy crap? This narrative we should try to be nice to them, we did under bush/obama and that was incredibly stupid and failed miserably, stop reading the pro russia articles out there, there's a **** ton of them on the net. They are adversaries even if it's just political/they aren't going to declare war on us militarily.
04-04-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
When asked why strong criticisms of Trump from liberals was "intellectually bankrupt", this is the response I got from a principled, passionate ACist I know IRL.

FWIW, I don't think it's unfair.

"The dishonesty is in the selective hysteria. How many of the people who went out into the streets to protest Trumps temporary Muslim ban had been silent for 8 years while Obama bombed those very same people who were jammed up at the airport? Why did they all of a sudden start giving a **** about them once it was the dude they hate giving them greif rather than the really cool guy who says all the nice things?

I have seen well educated highly intelligent people declare that Trump is the end of the Constitutional Republic, but they were all silent when Obama assumed the power to assassinate American citizens without any due process.

People are wringing their hands over Trumps reckless escalations in the middle east, but none of them seemed to care when Obama was helping the Saudis starve and bomb Yemen into submission.

People are afraid (laughably) that Trump is in cahoots with the Russians( who are not our enemies anyway), meanwhile no one seems to care that Obama, and Bush before him, had been supplying weapons to Syrian rebels allied with al Qaeda and ISIS, who really are our enemies.

The outrage is so selective it just comes off as infantile tantrums from sore losers, which is tragic because there is so much room for real effective criticism of this cheeseypoof."
FWIW, I think this is a tossed salad of logical fallacies. False equivalencies and hypocrisy-based arguments tell us exactly nothing about whether the criticisms of Trump are valid.
04-04-2017 , 04:35 PM


the syrian gas is obama's fault!

also the fun fact of saying he didn't do enough when trump tweeted at the time not to do anything at all.

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04-04-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Doesn't he (A. Jones) live in Austin?
He does, or at least he used to. He got his start on local access cable there, and he doesn't even crack the top 10 of weird **** to come out of that city.
04-04-2017 , 04:38 PM
Trump WH looking into carbon tax? Didn't see that coming?

Probably no chance it goes anywhere but Elon Musk and Bill Gates to do seem to have his ear.

edit: WH denying it to The Hill now. Guess WaPo was wrong.
04-04-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Trump WH looking into carbon tax? Didn't see that coming?

Probably no chance it goes anywhere but Elon Musk and Bill Gates to do seem to have his ear.
Isn't that just part of the Bannon "misinformation" campaign where the White House will throw out some kind of liberal sounding idea and then some time later reveal that they never intended to even consider it?

I seem to remember that happening with something else before.
04-04-2017 , 04:41 PM
Like interviewing Romney for SoS.
04-04-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Isn't that just part of the Bannon "misinformation" campaign where the White House will throw out some kind of liberal sounding idea and then some time later reveal that they never intended to even consider it?

I seem to remember that happening with something else before.
It happened with immigration reform before the first speech IIRC.
04-04-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
When asked why strong criticisms of Trump from liberals was "intellectually bankrupt", this is the response I got from a principled, passionate ACist I know IRL.

FWIW, I don't think it's unfair.

"The dishonesty is in the selective hysteria. How many of the people who went out into the streets to protest Trumps temporary Muslim ban had been silent for 8 years while Obama bombed those very same people who were jammed up at the airport? Why did they all of a sudden start giving a **** about them once it was the dude they hate giving them greif rather than the really cool guy who says all the nice things?

I have seen well educated highly intelligent people declare that Trump is the end of the Constitutional Republic, but they were all silent when Obama assumed the power to assassinate American citizens without any due process.

People are wringing their hands over Trumps reckless escalations in the middle east, but none of them seemed to care when Obama was helping the Saudis starve and bomb Yemen into submission.

People are afraid (laughably) that Trump is in cahoots with the Russians( who are not our enemies anyway), meanwhile no one seems to care that Obama, and Bush before him, had been supplying weapons to Syrian rebels allied with al Qaeda and ISIS, who really are our enemies.

The outrage is so selective it just comes off as infantile tantrums from sore losers, which is tragic because there is so much room for real effective criticism of this cheeseypoof."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Whataboutism is a term describing a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. When criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[3] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

The term describing the technique was coined in 2008 by Edward Lucas in an article for The Economist. Lucas said that this tactic is observed in the politics of modern Russia, along with this being evidence of a resurgence of Cold War and Soviet-era mentality within Russia's leadership.[1]

      
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