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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I guess this was supposed to be sarcastic or whatever, but we just saw a huge grassroots movement of people calling congresscritters and crowding townhalls to stop the AHCA. It sure seems like healthcare policy is something voters get animated about.
Remember two things.
1. bobman is, and I credit him for this, a principled liberal. Small-l. Not like an American liberal who votes Democratic -- instead he's someone who cherishes the liberal global order. And so Russia has to be their kryptonite because it's the last best hope to return back to the old way of doing things. That's fine, but just recognize bobman et al (I'm just using him as a stand-in for the HRC campaign, NeverTrumpers, etc.) are keenly self-interested in Russia RUSSIA RUSSIA! as the thing to talk about rather than Trump as a Gilded Age Capitalist Robber Baron because he knows the genuine progressiveness that followed the Gilded Age Era is a threat to the stuff he wants. He knows that if you're fundamentally correct that whipping up a frenzy about the preciousness of the welfare state and the way global capitalist elites operate to enrich themselves (e.g., clandestine Trump surrogates who used to be the CEO of a company that gets lots of government contract work and is managed by lots of notable Democrats meet with the Saudis and Russians to talk business) -- he knows that constitutes a threat to the world he wants. Because once that energy gets going it's a one-way ticket to Sanders town or worse, from his perspective. Which fine, I get it. I feel strongly Russia RUSSIA RUSSIA! won't work, but I might be wrong. But I'm confident it's where the kind of people who are like him are coming from -- that's their interest. It's important to identify where they're coming from.
2. his point assumes the political cluelessness of people who think Medicare eligibility is sexy but assumes voters are going to get an unfiltered hottake from the nations' opinion elites about the wholly systemic abject amorality ('mercenary kingpin') of global order. Yeah, OK, I'm sure they'll get right on that, I can see Bill O'Reilly and Chuck Schumer teaming up for that.
Last edited by DVaut1; 04-03-2017 at 05:51 PM.