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04-03-2017 , 07:56 AM

#23726

poconoder

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Time to discuss presidential debates again per the President who is tweeting about it now. But then in a way we are always discussing the election every time we discuss the Russia intervention.

04-03-2017 , 07:58 AM

#23727

Fatal Checkraise

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God, this ****ing moron.

04-03-2017 , 08:02 AM

#23728

epcfast

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I'm in Orlando on holiday at the moment - flew in from UK and out of 480 or so passengers on the flight there were no "brown people" at all.
Been to the states 6 times and this is the first time that's happened.
Make of that what you will.

04-03-2017 , 08:03 AM

#23729

yeSpiff

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04-03-2017 , 08:09 AM

#23730

bobman0330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Hiked with a couple guys for a while today. One of them told me the reason peanut allergies have skyrocketed is that parents don't feed their kids peanuts from age 0-5 (when apparently exposure to peanuts is needed to get immunity from the allergy) - because they're afraid of...

Spoiler:

I have not confirmed this.

Our pediatrician told us the same thing and said we needed to get our kid exposed to all the common allergenic foods before she turns 1. Good to know, but definitely alarming that they were giving out the exact opposite advice not very long ago.

04-03-2017 , 08:13 AM

#23731

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Well, I worked at an ABA provider doing ADOS diagnostics for years alongside ppl with BCBA-Ds and hundreds of families of children with Autism who never had a negative word to say about Autism Speaks, so I'd like to hear this author's reasoning.

This makes you a bad ally. A real ally, when they hear something on the internet, instantly believes that it's true and performatively refuses to inquire into its veracity.

04-03-2017 , 08:35 AM

#23732

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

There was a study a little while back about this Jewish area where kids have the lowest rate of peanut allergies in the world or something. Turns out all the parents were giving their kids some kind of wafer that had very small doses of peanuts in them. Total cultural thing. That exposure early on helped the children not be allergic to peanuts.

Think doctors' opinions on this are changing pretty quickly. They give advice now, I think, that very small amounts of diluted peanuts should be given and monitor for allergy signs.

04-03-2017 , 08:41 AM

#23733

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yeSpiff

Just asking!

How in **** can this possibly real? Am I asleep? This has to be an April fools joke, right?

04-03-2017 , 08:44 AM

#23734

Loki

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Remember the rule about Donald trump: he only accuses people of things he's done. We can infer that his refusal to let that chestnut go means he got early copies of any questions from fox debates

04-03-2017 , 08:50 AM

#23735

GTO2.0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Remember the rule about Donald trump: he only accuses people of things he's done. We can infer that his refusal to let that chestnut go means he got early copies of any questions from fox debates

Dude, he just got the questions. She got the answers, which is way worse.

04-03-2017 , 08:57 AM

#23736

otatop

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

They're basically peanut butter flavored Cheetos.

More dumb tweets!

He ****ing @'d the FBI about a Fox News report.

04-03-2017 , 09:00 AM

#23737

Loki

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He seems really mad that his people got incidentally caught talking with Russian spies who were being monitored. Surprising he doesn't see how repeatedly pointing that out could backfire.

04-03-2017 , 09:10 AM

#23738

Our House

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I know this has been covered before, but I'm becoming increasingly concerned about our President getting pushed too far into the corner, and using...idk...nukes or some other crazy action to deflect from anti-Trump news.

How likely is he to do something like this, and is it possible for others around him to disobey questionable orders?

04-03-2017 , 09:12 AM

#23739

Riverman

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We're moving past dumb into mental illness.

04-03-2017 , 09:12 AM

#23740

poconoder

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If Trump expresses support of Russia about today's bombing then we will have caught him red handed in collusion with Russia and it'll be impeachment time.

Lock him up!

04-03-2017 , 09:14 AM

#23741

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Riverman

We're moving past dumb into mental illness.

I joke a lot and use hyberpole but this really is starting to be the only explanation. He sure seems like he has some kind of illness.

04-03-2017 , 09:17 AM

#23742

TheNewT50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

It all depends on what you mean by "some other crazy action". Considering he's got numerous objectively crazy actions in the rear view mirror already, odds are good he'll continue to do it in the future.

I'd put the odds Trump uses a nuke during his presidency between 2 and 5 percent. But anything involving the man is pure guesswork.

04-03-2017 , 09:19 AM

#23743

Our House

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Hopefully there is someone like Dr Crusher around to relieve him of duty if needed.

04-03-2017 , 09:23 AM

#23744

Huehuecoyotl

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So about Trump's 'blind trust'

Quote:

When President Donald Trump placed his businesses in a trust upon entering the White House, he put his sons in charge and claimed to distance himself from his sprawling empire. “I hope at the end of eight years I’ll come back and say, ‘Oh you did a good job,’” Trump said at a Jan. 11 press conference. Trump’s lawyer explained that the president “was completely isolating himself from his business interests.”

The setup has long been slammed as insufficient, far short of the full divestment that many ethics experts say is needed to avoid conflicts of interest. A small phrase buried deep in a set of recently released letters between the Trump Organization and the government shows just how little separation there actually is.

Trump can draw money from his more than 400 businesses, at any time, without disclosing it.

The previously unreported changes to a trust document, signed on Feb. 10, stipulates that it “shall distribute net income or principal to Donald J. Trump at his request” or whenever his son and longtime attorney “deem appropriate.” That can include everything from profits to the underlying assets, such as the businesses themselves.

Quote:

There is nothing requiring Trump to disclose when he takes profits from the trust, which could go directly into his bank or brokerage account. That’s because both the trust and Trump Organization are privately held. The only people who know the details of the Trump trust’s finances are its trustees, Trump’s son, Donald Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the company’s chief financial officer. Trump's other son, Eric, has been listed as an adviser to the trust, according to this revised document.

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...ent=1491221180

04-03-2017 , 09:27 AM

#23745

raradevils

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Here is an article on that subject:

http://www.parenting.com/blogs/show-...m/food-allergy

With a link to this:

http://www.jaci-inpractice.org/artic...ulltext#sec1.3

04-03-2017 , 09:29 AM

#23746

Sighsalot

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Across the board, the poll has bad news for Trump.

He lost significant support among his strongest backers: white men (which dropped from 58% in March to 49% today), and rural America, which went from 56% to 41% today.

http://www.investors.com/politics/tr...-ibdtipp-poll/

sad

04-03-2017 , 09:37 AM

#23747

kre8tive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNewT50

I've been one and two outted on the river way too many times to think that's a reasonable percentage to think our leader could use nuclear aggression in response to conflict.

As for the question regarding his mental health, its my opinion he suffers from a personality disorder more than a traditional mental illness. Though with his late night tweets and not sleeping much there is a chance of bipolar disorder.

04-03-2017 , 09:53 AM

#23748

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

It'll bounce back after he stops talking about taking away their healthcare or charging them half their income for it. Got to get back to the old staples of 'populism'.

04-03-2017 , 10:00 AM

#23749

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

Hopefully there is someone like Dr Crusher around to relieve him of duty if needed.

All we got is Dr. Ben Carson, unfortunately.

04-03-2017 , 10:02 AM

#23750

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

This makes you a bad ally. A real ally, when they hear something on the internet, instantly believes that it's true and performatively refuses to inquire into its veracity.

Here's a better explanation. Again, this is from an autistic author.

New Autism Speaks Masterpost
https://thecaffeinatedautistic.wordp...updated-62014/

Quote:

When a person thinks of the term “Autism Awareness” in the United States, it’s usually one organization that comes to mind – Autism Speaks. It is heralded by celebrities, politicians, nonprofit and for profit organizations alike. Many parents of autistic children enthusiastically applaud their “efforts”, even partaking in fundraising, despite not knowing much about what those efforts entail.

Ask an autistic person, however, and you might get quite a different picture of Autism Speaks.

The number one tenet of any activism among disability groups is “Nothing About Us Without Us”, yet Autism Speaks can’t even manage to meet this one basic qualification. They have never had an autistic member on their board. Their current board consists of parents, including one who founded SafeMinds, which has contributed to the anti vaccination movement, as well as another board member who used be a board member for Cure Autism Now. To view the full list, click here. To view a list of other leadership in their organization, click here.

The only autistic person high enough up in their leadership to be worth mentioning was John Elder Robison, author of Look Me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s Syndrome and part of their science advisory board. He resigned his position in November 2013, a decision he spoke about on his blog.

Autism Speaks spends just 3% of the money they raise back into helping families and autistic people. This comes in various forms, and not all of it is aimed at actually helping autistic people. Some of it is aimed at communication devices for autistic children and teenagers, and this is of course a very good thing. Much of it is also aimed at providing ABA therapy for autistic people, which is a behavioral intervention that much of the autism community opposes, particularly autistic people who are now adults who were subjected to it as children. Some accounts of this are here, here, here and here.

Autism Speaks’ goals are clearly stated in their mission statement. It reads:

At Autism Speaks, our goal is to change the future for all who struggle with autism spectrum disorders.

We are dedicated to funding global biomedical research into the causes, prevention, treatments and a possible cure for autism. We strive to raise public awareness about autism and its effects on individuals, families, and society: and we work to bring hope to all who deal with the hardships of this disorder. We are committed to raising the funds necessary to support these goals.

Autism Speaks aims to bring the autism community together as one strong voice to urge the government and private sector to listen to our concerns and take action to address this urgent global health crisis. It is our firm belief that, working together, we will find the missing pieces of the puzzle.

I have bolded the parts that stuck out to me as harmful and problematic. Autism Speaks wants to cure autistic people of our autism. Have they involved us in the process? Have they asked any of us? Again, the guiding principle of the disability rights movement is “Nothing about us without us”, but Autism Speaks has left autistic people out of the equation entirely. In addition, it’s clear to see when perusing their scientific research that much of the research is focused on identifying genetic markers for autism, presumably so that autism can be prevented.

Is autism an “urgent, global health crisis”? I don’t believe it is. Studies have shown that there is a similar percentage of adults that show the same symptoms of autism as is shown among children currently being diagnosed with autism. Link here.

The above mission statement is indicative of a larger problem in the way that Autism Speaks speaks about autistic people.

Autism Speaks is responsible for the atrocity known as I Am Autism. Directed by Alfonso Cuaron, this promotional video utilized a disembodied voice to tell the audience what precisely “autism had stolen” from the families of autistic children, even citing divorce as a result of autism, likely relying on a now disproven statistic that 80% of marriages in which there is an autistic child end in divorce. Neither Cuaron or Autism Speaks has ever offered an apology for this monstrosity, though they did remove it from their YouTube channel.
Autism Speaks is responsible for another media piece called Autism Everyday. There are several issues with this video. The parents spend most of the time talking about what they cannot do with an autistic child. They cannot go out for coffee with their friends, they cannot do x, y, and z, because their child is autistic. The conversation seems to be only focused on what the parents’ lives are like, and there is almost no discussion on how it feels for the autistic child themselves. The worst part of this video, however, is when Alison Singer, former Autism Speaks board member and founder of the Autism Science Foundation, speaks about her desire to drive her daughter and herself off the George Washington Bridge, and only stopped because she was thinking of how it would affect her non-autistic daughter. The heartbreaking part of this is that she says all of this in front of her autistic daughter, with no regard as to whether her daughter can hear and understand.
Autism Speaks often refers to autism as a “puzzle”, making use of a human-shaped blue puzzle piece in their logo. The puzzle piece did not originate with Autism Speaks, but their continued use of it, in addition to phrases like “…will find the missing piece of the puzzle” as stated in their mission statement shows that they don’t really value autistic people as fully human people. We are puzzles and we are missing pieces of ourselves, and we must become neurotypical in order to be respected by this group.
Suzanne Wright, one half of the founding team of Bob and Suzanne Wright, who founded Autism Speaks in 2005, focuses her “founder’s message” on speaking about the ways to supposedly help the families of autistic people, with little discussion of how to help autistic people ourselves. She concludes this message with the phrase “This disorder has taken our children away. It’s time to get them back.”
Jess, a blogger at A Diary of a Mom and mother of an autistic daughter, detailed her encounter with Suzanne Wright and Autism Speaks here. This details everything that is wrong with ABA therapy, lack of consent, as well as just having no idea how to relate to an autistic child. The fact that Suzanne Wright was one of the first voices of an organization such as Autism Speaks, while having no idea what consent even means, is horrifying.

Autism Speaks has been involved in legislative issues, and while many people would consider this to be a positive effort, the effect this has on autistic people is actually quite negative.

As stated previously, they have members of their board who are very concerned with environmental factors (such as vaccines) and how they contribute to autism diagnoses. Autism Speaks was, for quite a long while, very much anti vaccination. Alison Singer left Autism Speaks in 2009, no longer wanting to be a party to an organization that wanted to spend so much on researching vaccines, a link that has long been disproven.

Autism Speaks, among other groups, blocked the inclusion of the Shakowsky Amendment in the recent Autism CARES ACT, which would have included some of the following:

A requirement that the Leadership and Education in Neurodevelopmental Disabilities (LEND) program, a federally-funded training program to provide interdisciplinary training to students seeking to support children and youth with disabilities, take steps to recruit trainees on the autism spectrum and those with other developmental disabilities;
Specifically emphasizing the needs of racial and ethnic minority groups, women and girls and adolescents and adults on the autism spectrum in the definition of “culturally competent services”;
A requirement that autistic people make up at least four of the public members of the Inter-Agency Autism Coordinating Committee or one-third of the public membership, whichever number is higher, and that at least one such individual be a person who has received Medicaid Home and Community Based Services;
A requirement that LEND programs convene stakeholder advisory committees consisting of a majority of individuals on the autism spectrum or with other developmental disabilities;
Opening the Autism Centers of Excellence research funding stream to include research on developmental disability service provision, supported employment, inclusive education and other fields related to the integration of autistic people into the broader community; and,
A requirement that each Autism Center of Excellence grant awarded include a stakeholder advisory committee with a majority of individuals on the autism spectrum.

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