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04-02-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Dems lost the Senate in 2014. I'm sure if Reid controlled the Senate in 2016 he would have Nuclear'd Garland through. Absolutely. With good reason.
Correct. That was an important part of the Garland block. Because Republicans controlled the Senate, they never had to schedule hearings so they never technically even had to filibuster. Thus their talking point today "we didn't filibuster Obama's nominees" which of course is completely in bad faith because not holding hearings is even worse than a filibuster.
04-02-2017 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Just to confirm, when the Democrats and Reid went nuclear in 2013, for the lower court judicial nominees, that had nothing to do with political norms, decency, respect or fairness and was totally not deplorable.

But when the GOP does it, it totally is.

Haven't you realized by now, both parties are deplorable. Was McConnell deplorable for holding up Garland's vote. Absolutely.

But honestly, a supermajority being needed in the Senate to pass a law or a confirmation isn't in the Constitution. It's just a ****ing rule that Senators made up so they didn't have to make tough votes.

"Oh drat, we don't have 60 votes so we can't vote on all that extreme (right or left) legislation that our vocal constituents are begging for. Just don't have the 60 votes. Time to move on."

In our lifetimes the legislation filibuster will go down in flames too. As an aside, for many liberals in this forum here, it's probably the only way to get some of the signature Democratic platforms passed as well. Medicare for All? 50 votes is going to be much easier than 60.

Just a thought.
It's really scary that there are so many people like you in the world who honestly think politics is a game of just doing worse than the people before, with a huge shrug.

Here is a crazy ****ing idea. The Dems were wrong in 2013 so maybe let's not exacerbate their error by expanding it to the highest court in the land?

Also, "it's not in the constitution" has to be single dumbest defense of something in politics. It is normally reserved for the weak-minded ultra right of the party who are simply too stupid to understand historical context.

If you want to find a really stupid person look to the nearest originalists or textualist.
04-02-2017 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Not often discussed is that the GOP may well not have 50 votes to go nuclear. See, when you've lost the popular vote in the last 6/7 of elections, maybe a bit of humility is due with respect to your ability to "own" the court for the next 25 years.
Because every single R will vote for going nuclear, that's why. humility in politics lolololololol

obama could've put garland on the court for a year, wonder why he chose not to. Playing nice when your opponent is willing to cheat is a great strategy to lose.
04-02-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
Anyone recognize the book Bannon is reading?
04-02-2017 , 11:04 AM

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/stat...37126811693056
04-02-2017 , 11:06 AM
Sen. McConnell was asked today if he would commit to a rule saying no Supreme Court nominees during a Presidential election year, since that was his logic for denying Merrick Garland even a hearing. He would not.
04-02-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Ingram
Let's not overlook this beautiful triple flip-flop...

04-02-2017 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Anyone recognize the book Bannon is reading?
I think it looks like a little bit like a Field Notes notebook (https://fieldnotesbrand.com/products/expedition).
04-02-2017 , 11:21 AM
Could be but looks a little big for one and I haven't seen that color offered for a while.
04-02-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fredd-bird
I think it looks like a little bit like a Field Notes notebook (https://fieldnotesbrand.com/products/expedition).
Good job.
04-02-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Anyone recognize the book Bannon is reading?
presumably this
04-02-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Ingram
"The real story is I'm guilty and I got caught but I don't want anybody else to know about it."
04-02-2017 , 11:46 AM
04-02-2017 , 11:52 AM
"The real story is that our law enforcement agencies have hard evidence of me, the president, committing high crimes!"
04-02-2017 , 12:00 PM
What's the consensus on Pence/Russia?
04-02-2017 , 12:02 PM
According to Mike Pence, there is no such thing as Russia.

04-02-2017 , 12:09 PM
I think Cuban may have nailed it. He's absolutely right that trump is too stupid and lazy to orchestrate a conspiracy.
04-02-2017 , 12:12 PM
i'm trying to imagine a guy who works in the government somehow, and he's pretty dumb so russian intelligence agents compromise him and make him act in ways that benefit them, but he's not interested in russia he just wants to get more rich. that's ok, right?
04-02-2017 , 12:14 PM
It is a MOST American idea that if an operation is committing a crime, the hired guns are responsible and not the OWNER, in this case Trump. Bridgegate? Christie goes free, aides go to prison. Torture scandals? Soldiers go to prison, higher-ups who ordered the torture untouched. The idea is that the owners get ALL the benefits of production, while the workers take on ALL of the liabilities. This has also been called "golden parachutes" or "income inequality." But it leads to a dual system: one system of rules for labor, and a totally different set of rules and penalties for capital (owners). Jeff Sessions commits perjury, he keeps his job. A normal person would be charged with perjury, a felony, and would face up to five years in prison. But Sessions is an "elite." Other elites don't want to bring down the normal penalties on him, because they want to continue to enjoy their elite privilege.
04-02-2017 , 12:15 PM
Mike Pence has a firm policy on Russia. He does not talk to them unless his wife is present.
04-02-2017 , 12:15 PM
Also outside of the white-collar crime world, that's not how it works at all. If you hire a guy to kill your wife, you get charged accordingly. It doesn't matter that you didn't buy the gun, you didn't drive the car, you didn't put the body in a woodchipper.
04-02-2017 , 12:16 PM
I have to laugh when Trump staff point to Detroit and shout look! jobs!

A local paper said last week that their and GM's efforts have created or retained 130 jobs. Whoopty ****ing do.
04-02-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It is a MOST American idea that if an operation is committing a crime, the hired guns are responsible and not the OWNER, in this case Trump. Bridgegate? Christie goes free, aides go to prison. Torture scandals? Soldiers go to prison, higher-ups who ordered the torture untouched. The idea is that the owners get ALL the benefits of production, while the workers take on ALL of the liabilities. This has also been called "golden parachutes" or "income inequality." But it leads to a dual system: one system of rules for labor, and a totally different set of rules and penalties for capital (owners). Jeff Sessions commits perjury, he keeps his job. A normal person would be charged with perjury, a felony, and would face up to five years in prison. But Sessions is an "elite." Other elites don't want to bring down the normal penalties on him, because they want to continue to enjoy their elite privilege.
The fact that John Yoo is a professor at Berkeley and Jay Bybee is a federal judge after they justified a torture program is bananas
04-02-2017 , 12:22 PM
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The fact that John Yoo is a professor at Berkeley and Jay Bybee is a federal judge after they justified a torture program is bananas
That's a great point. Academia (and journalism) certainly has its own elite bias which is arguably far stronger than its so-called liberal bias.
04-02-2017 , 12:22 PM
this is an actual headline on foxnews.com right now...



HITLER – JUST LIKE US?
Propaganda photos show dictator with kids, deer

linking to a SUN article. I dont even know what to say

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04...baby-deer.html

      
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