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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-28-2017 , 03:42 PM
Maddow ratings up cause liberals are paying more attention to politics cause the president is insane, if i had to guess.
03-28-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


At least the greedy hand in the graphic is accurately coming out of flyover country.
03-28-2017 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Feel so sick about Trump today as he works towards destroying the climate. What a %@%@%@
Look how hard he pushed the house to approve a healthcare bill that had a 17% approval rating and destroyed the lives of so many millions of people. This guy is selfishly hell bent on erasing Obama's name and doesn't give a **** how many people are harmed in the process.
03-28-2017 , 03:53 PM
I doubt they get close to any kind of agreement on healthcare. Their tent is way too wide on that. Tons of GOP govs don't want to lose the $ now, hospitals, insurance etc

And I think blaming the HFC was just convenient and they like that stuff anyway. But if they were truly on board, then like 30 moderates would probably not want to do it. Then you have the senate as well.

It's always easy to say a vote was gonna be 10 short if it didn't happen, when it was probably closer to 40-50. Another dynamic is everyone has somewhat of an idea how the vote is going to go, so a lot probably vote no/yes based on what is best for them politically, knowing already if it will pass/won't.
03-28-2017 , 04:23 PM
I wish there was a long term betting market because I would ship my net worth on a bet that 100 years from now Trump's action today regarding climate change policy will be viewed as the single most reckless action taken by a president to this point in history. Yes including slavery.
03-28-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I'm not sure how to feel about it tbh. I really don't want Americans remembering that Great Hero Trump gave them all healthcare, because even if 85% of GOP House guys vote against it, it's still their party that reaps the political good will. Dems could be screwed for a generation by the implementation of their own idea.
The chatter is about GOP agreeing on a bill. Any bill that fits that description will be terrible and will place no pressure on dems to support. Will die in the Senate almost certainly.
03-28-2017 , 04:34 PM
Border wall funding likely to be put on hold

President Trump's funding request for a border wall will likely be put on hold, Senate Republican leaders signaled Tuesday.

Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a senior member of the Appropriations Committee, announced at a leadership press conference that Trump's supplemental funding request will wait until later in the year.

He said the Senate and House leadership are very close to negotiating a bill to fund government for the rest of 2017.

Adding a supplemental spending bill requested by Trump to pay for military activities and a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border would complicate the talks and should be dealt with at a later date, Blunt added.
"We have the FY17 defense bill," Blunt said, noting it is the top priority of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and could be used as a vehicle to pass bills funding other federal departments.

"All of the committees, House and Senate leaderships, are working together to try to finalize the rest of the FY17 bill," he added. "My guess is that comes together better without the supplemental."
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http://thehill.com/policy/finance/32...be-put-on-hold
03-28-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I wish there was a long term betting market because I would ship my net worth on a bet that 100 years from now Trump's action today regarding climate change policy will be viewed as the single most reckless action taken by a president to this point in history. Yes including slavery.
I'd take this bet because it's likely that won't be the most reckless thing trump does.
03-28-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Does her head explode in the last frame of this gif?
It's a watermelon. She came out ok - but seems pretty lucky to have done so.
03-28-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's likely the melon exploding....

Hopefully she was OK - I always wonder about what happens in the "after" moments of these gifs.
03-28-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I'd take this bet because it's likely that won't be the most reckless thing trump does.
A significant war would certainly have less casualties than will be tied to todays policy shift. The only thing I can think of worse would be the use of a nuclear weapon.

Environmental economists in 100 years will be counting the cost of this policy shift in the hundreds of trillions of dollars.
03-28-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
What's left of civilization in 100 years will be counting the cost of this policy shift in gold coins.
FYP
03-28-2017 , 04:50 PM
Already saving up my bottle tops...
03-28-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I wish there was a long term betting market because I would ship my net worth on a bet that 100 years from now Trump's action today regarding climate change policy will be viewed as the single most reckless action taken by a president to this point in history. Yes including slavery.
But weigh your global catastrophe against this: 65,000 coal miners got to feel good momentarily.

USA! USA! USA!
03-28-2017 , 04:53 PM


03-28-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I wish there was a long term betting market because I would ship my net worth on a bet that 100 years from now Trump's action today regarding climate change policy will be viewed as the single most reckless action taken by a president to this point in history. Yes including slavery.
Booked if you agree to post up. If you win I'll happily ship you the moniez in 2117
03-28-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
You don't think he can put Dems in a tough spot here? Like if his people move the new healthcare plan closer to single payer, that is what Dems want. Hard to say no to their own policy ideas. On the other hand, it would be a disaster for Dems politically.

You may say he's incapable, but I guarantee you he has no ideological objections to single payer, and all that is happening right now is he's yelling at his people to come up with something that will give him a win. He doesn't care if his win comes from 35 Republicans and 190 Democrats.
How would they get the Freedom caucus on board with such a move? They want to unite the party but the tea party exists to obstruct the traditional party. I just don't see that being the move. And if they go the other way they just create a worse bill.

Regardless the likely chance of them passing a bill that insures more people with better coverage for less is zero. There is no way that type of bill gets out of the house.

Trump can't just seek democratic help and get a bill voted on.
03-28-2017 , 05:31 PM
Top house republicans looking to fund Obamacare payments they previously sued over.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...acare-payments
03-28-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
How would they get the Freedom caucus on board with such a move? They want to unite the party but the tea party exists to obstruct the traditional party. I just don't see that being the move. And if they go the other way they just create a worse bill.

Regardless the likely chance of them passing a bill that insures more people with better coverage for less is zero. There is no way that type of bill gets out of the house.

Trump can't just seek democratic help and get a bill voted on.
Is there some procedural reason why not?

In my hypothetical, Trump doesn't need the Freedom Caucus or for that matter most of the Republicans. He goes the opposite way, which is what the populist wing wants, single payer (for white people). Then he picks up most of the Dems and the moderate Republicans. In fact, if Trump can get enough Dems that it becomes clear that the bill will pass, all the rest of the non Tea Party guys will come along because it's just better politics.
03-28-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's likely the melon exploding....

Hopefully she was OK - I always wonder about what happens in the "after" moments of these gifs.
She shook it off like a champ. It's one of the best TV moments ever
03-28-2017 , 05:56 PM
There's no way the GOP will come together on a health care plan just to stick it to the Democrats. Half of these greedy ****s couldn't agree on the last one because it wasn't tough enough. Like, 28 million Americans losing their care wasn't enough.

These guys are finding out the hard way how easy it was to just ***** for 8 years. Now that the ball is in their court, they can't even agree on what sport they are playing let alone know what to do with that ball.

Trump already showed he was full of hot air when he gave that ultimatum saying they were going to vote on the bill tomorrow or he'd scrap it 100%. These guys are probably laughing at Trump behind closed doors as much as we are here.
03-28-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Is there some procedural reason why not?
Hastert Rule. Not really a rule, but the GOP swears by it. Thou shalt not bring forward a bill without majority majority support.
03-28-2017 , 06:19 PM
03-28-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
Hastert Rule. Not really a rule, but the GOP swears by it. Thou shalt not bring forward a bill without majority majority support.
You could do it by discharge petition as that would get around Paul Ryan. Problem with that is that the moderates who are likely to join with D's are also the type that I'd expect to not want to piss off GOP establishment.
03-28-2017 , 06:48 PM

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/846855178104045574

      
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