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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-28-2017 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
He's doing it again...
Doing what, using his official office to illegally endorse certain businesses?
03-28-2017 , 09:19 AM
Of all the potentially illegal things Orange has done/is doing, telling people to watch tv is on the bottom of the list.
03-28-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
except that democrats dont have the ball so your argument is invalid

this isn't a non-issue and ive interacted with a lot of people who are deeply concerned with where this russia investigation is headed. there are a lot more lies and ****ery coming from the GOP about this than ever came out of hillary's half truths and word mincing about emails or benghazi.
I'm not saying it's a non-issue, but if we can't come up with a coherent story about what exactly Russiagate is all about it's a bad thing to focus on. Dems ought to be out there explaining how Trump's tax plan will dick over working-class Americans. We can't keep running stories about how some committee chairman broke tradition and reported findings to the White House first instead of to the House subcommittee, or how Trumps in-law met with some Russian banker.

Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 03-28-2017 at 09:25 AM.
03-28-2017 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't really understand what "pushing" for universal health care would look like in a GOP controlled Congress. Introduce futile legislation? Hold press conferences?
"medicare for all" is a very simple and coherent bit of messaging that could do a lot to start swaying public opinion, since it is extremely popular among olds
03-28-2017 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't really understand what "pushing" for universal health care would look like in a GOP controlled Congress. Introduce futile legislation? Hold press conferences?
Why not? If the GOP can vote to repeal obamacare 60 times why can't the dems propose universal single payer 160 times? Hold a press conference after each defeat saying republicans are blocking your granny from getting her medicine they are responsible for her death!
03-28-2017 , 09:23 AM
Passing health care bills is hard. I think that the Democrats are a long way from implementing the sort of health care plan that would please progressives. Any attempt to pass such a bill would require a precipitating economic catastrophe or an overwhelming Democratic majority in Congress. An overwhelming majority (probably with a popular Democratic president) would be necessary because vulnerable centrist Democrats in red presidential states are unlikely to support a plan that is truly pleasing to progressives.

Last edited by Rococo; 03-28-2017 at 09:28 AM.
03-28-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Why not? If the GOP can vote to repeal obamacare 60 times why can't the dems propose universal single payer 160 times? Hold a press conference after each defeat saying republicans are blocking your granny from getting her medicine they are responsible for her death!
I'm not sure how effective those GOP tactics were, but OK.
03-28-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
"medicare for all" is a very simple and coherent bit of messaging that could do a lot to start swaying public opinion, since it is extremely popular among olds
That's fair.
03-28-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I'm not saying it's a non-issue, but if we can't come up with a coherent story about what exactly Russiagate is all about it's a bad thing to focus on. Dems ought to be out there explaining how Trump's tax plan will dick over working-class Americans.
there are a couple of potential narratives but more info is needed before we start trotting them out with any measure of certainty. at the heart of all the focus on this is how the administration has been habitually lying, obfuscating, and creating new questions that need to be answered on a near daily basis. the first step is obtaining information via thorough, comprehensive, non/bi-partisan investigations, which means pushing for recusal of nunes at the very least.

this doesn't mean that we stop talking about all the other simultaneous dumpster fires/disasters that this admin is undertaking, but to downplay this like it's nbd and just like benghazi and we're all wasting our time is complete ****ing nonsense
03-28-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not sure how effective those GOP tactics were, but OK.
03-28-2017 , 09:35 AM
like, this russia stuff has him so shook that he's projecting at ****ing hillary and obama on twitter, putin is killing people left and right and the dossier is corroborated more and more every week, and you're gonna tell me you believe this cheeto dusted blob has nothing to hide? or like one of these clowns in his inner circle wouldn't gonna give him up to save their own ass once they start feeling enough heat? ' **** outta here with that ****, that's why we need investigations.
03-28-2017 , 09:36 AM
really proud of our big cities this morning...

"NYC to be administrations worst nightmare"

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/244212379-story

LA mayor vows to fight Trump administration attempt to strip ‘sanctuary city’ funding

http://www.dailynews.com/government-...y-city-funding

'We Welcome Immigrants': Emanuel Defends Chicago's Sanctuary Status After Sessions Warns of Funding Cuts

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward...417242663.html



fighting fascism one day at a time.

Last edited by Sighsalot; 03-28-2017 at 09:46 AM.
03-28-2017 , 09:37 AM
That doesn't prove the point imo. Trump's inability pass a health care bill is partly incompetence, but it's also partly a sign that people aren't that anxious to repeal the ACA. If there had been broad public support for a repeal, Ryan would have been free to push the bill further to the right, appeasing the Freedom Caucus, without fear of losing GOP moderates.
03-28-2017 , 09:37 AM
TIL that trump eats well done steaks with ketchup. LOCK HIM UP
03-28-2017 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
like, this russia stuff has him so shook that he's projecting at ****ing hillary and obama on twitter, putin is killing people left and right and the dossier is corroborated more and more every week, and you're gonna tell me this cheeto dusted blob has nothing to hide? or like one of these clowns in his inner circle wouldn't gonna give him up to save their own ass once they start feeling enough heat? ' **** outta here with that ****, that's why we need investigations.
He is guilty and the walls are closing in. Don't let this non sense with the intel committee distract you. The FBI is investigating and the funny part is, nunes own behavior is what will lead to even most republicans to begin calling for an independent committee.

After another month or 2 of intense questioning and growing concern and anger we will imo get an independent investigation along with the fbi and its going to bring a lot of people down.
03-28-2017 , 09:41 AM
the resistance is growing....

Primetime: FNC: 475 | CNN: 435 | MSNBC: 545 | HLN: 74

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/score...arch-24/324849

To me that is a shocking number. Fixed news is in the middle of a major ratings drop and its a beautiful thing to see

Last edited by Sighsalot; 03-28-2017 at 09:47 AM.
03-28-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
really proud of our big cities this morning...

"NYC to be administrations worst nightmare"

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/244212379-story

LA mayor vows to fight Trump administration attempt to strip ‘sanctuary city’ funding

http://www.dailynews.com/government-...y-city-funding

'We Welcome Immigrants': Emanuel Defends Chicago's Sanctuary Status After Sessions Warns of Funding Cuts

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward...417242663.html

fighting fascism one day at a time.
good for them
03-28-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Why not? If the GOP can vote to repeal obamacare 60 times why can't the dems propose universal single payer 160 times? Hold a press conference after each defeat saying republicans are blocking your granny from getting her medicine they are responsible for her death!
Without a majority in the House, Democrats do not have the ability to bring any specific bills to the floor for a vote.
03-28-2017 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
really proud of our big cities this morning...

"NYC to be administrations worst nightmare".
On a related note, maybe people should think twice before electing a president who is broadly unpopular in his home city. I don't know a single person in NYC who thought Trump was prepared or had the temperament to be president because, you know, we all had center court tickets to watch his buffoonery over the last two decades.
03-28-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Doing what, using his official office to illegally endorse certain businesses?
The media is a unique business in this context. Just allowing yourself to be interviewed by someone who works for a media firm could be considered an endorsement. So I think when it comes to media he is free to endorse shows and personalities any way he wishes.
03-28-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Why not? If the GOP can vote to repeal obamacare 60 times why can't the dems propose universal single payer 160 times? Hold a press conference after each defeat saying republicans are blocking your granny from getting her medicine they are responsible for her death!
D bills won't have the same optics since they will never be voted on by the full chamber (and definitely never pass,).

No D bill will ever be voted on in the House. In the Senate it's going to die in committee. Not as good talking points.

Also, D's aren't unified behind single payer, so many would't even vote for it in committee. Holding a press conference to say that we introduced a bill and it was voted down with bipartisan opposition doesn't have the same power as saying all R's voted in unison to repeal Obamacare, but D's protected the law.
03-28-2017 , 09:55 AM
MSNBC’s The Rachel Maddow Show is on a roll. Maddow has had the most-watched cable news show in the younger demo for the third week in a row. The last time Maddow won three weeks in a row in the A25-54 demo were the weeks of Dec. 17, 25 and 31, 2012.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/rache...viewers/324564

thanks don.
03-28-2017 , 09:56 AM
I guess I don't understand how the left lacks a coherent narrative on Russia.

"Trump's campaign worked directly with the Russian government to hack the DNC and spread the hacked information, and conducted a widespread propaganda campaign to discredit Hillary Clinton."

Like, is that just way off the mark for a coherent, damning narrative? Too complicated? Shrugs?

I feel like the real problem is Dems won't actually say that forcefully until it's corroborated beyond a reasonable doubt. A dilemma republicans have demonstrated they wouldn't trouble themselves with.
03-28-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
the resistance is growing....

Primetime: FNC: 475 | CNN: 435 | MSNBC: 545 | HLN: 74

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/score...arch-24/324849

To me that is a shocking number. Fixed news is in the middle of a major ratings drop and its a beautiful thing to see
Is this a trend or a blip? In particular, Hannity losing to O'Donnell seems like a huge change.
03-28-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
I guess I don't understand how the left lacks a coherent narrative on Russia.

"Trump's campaign worked directly with the Russian government to hack the DNC and spread the hacked information, and conducted a widespread propaganda campaign to discredit Hillary Clinton."

Like, is that just way off the mark for a coherent, damning narrative? Too complicated? Shrugs?

I feel like the real problem is Dems won't actually say that forcefully until it's corroborated beyond a reasonable doubt. A dilemma republicans have demonstrated they wouldn't trouble themselves with.
uhh, no. we're still waiting on evidence of "working directly with the russian government", so its not wise to trot that out as a certainty. we say that it's "likely", and that's why investigations must be allowed to proceed. nunes should step down and sessions should resign or be forced out and held accountable for his lies.

      
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