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03-27-2017 , 02:28 PM
Lemme put it another way, he doesn't come off to me like someone who in the back of his mind is thinking "These goons better not flip like rat ****s or I'm going to be spending the rest of my life being the pussy rather than grabbing the pussy"

I just don't get the feeling he is worried about it. Maybe that is the sociopathic conman in him that has gotten away with everything his whole life, if so, damn. Cool under pressure.
03-27-2017 , 02:29 PM
Has Trump's favourability either before or since the election got to the % of vote he secured?
03-27-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Looks like he has a dip in.


What did sessions say about sanctuary cities? I missed the beginning .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...uaries-cities/

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday he’ll begin punishing sanctuary cities, withholding potentially billions of dollars in federal money — and even clawing back funds that had been doled out in the past.
Speaking at the White House, Mr. Sessions said his department is preparing to dole out more than $4 billion in funds this year, but will try prevent any of it from going to sanctuaries.
“Countless Americans would be alive today … if these policies of sanctuary cities were ended,” Mr. Sessions said.

Hes despicable
03-27-2017 , 02:33 PM
Countless. Meaning he can't count it because it doesn't exist
03-27-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Countless. Meaning he can't count it because it doesn't exist
precisely. In line with his comments about weed being almost as bad as heroin.

He is one of the worst humans alive
03-27-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I posted this in SE but nobody really bit on it.

It might be stupid, I dunno. But like 1/2 this country lives in close proximity to cities near a coast, everyone is trying to cram around the top 30 or so cities because that is where many of the good paying jobs are. We have tons of cheap, habitable land that seemingly no one uses.

Why don't we try to have some type of incentive for poor/middle class older people to move to a retirement community inland where land is cheaper and with network/economies of scale effects we drive down the cost of helping these people as well as helping them live dignified lives in the last stage of their life. Then medical community moves there, then they need restaurants, shopping, etc like everywhere else. It would almost be like building for retirement what las vegas is for tourism/gambling. Obviously moving isn't mandatory but given the care you can get at the cost, it would hopefully be a pretty nice deal. Especially for those who are really struggling.

Then you would have more housing/land in cities for the productive class that need that housing as well.
I like the concept and explored it a bit for a semi-communal housing project but the desire to stay close to family and friends and big city amenities (restaurants, culture, etc.) seem to make it problematic. My wife worked for a firm that did market research for an elder care company that was looking to build assisted living facilities outside the SF Bay Area and found that seniors by and large didn't want to move more than an hour away from where they had been living most of their lives, with most not wanting to move at all.

So in the assisted care market there already are less expensive options in for example Fairfield which is about 40 miles away from the Bay Area (depending on how you define the Bay Area). This is a different market (though maybe there's some overlap) than what you're talking about but I think there are similarities.

It's an interesting idea. It might be a tougher sell to younger people than older folks due to jobs, lifestyle, schools etc so I think it's more geared to the retirement community but with incentives I'd guess there would be some interest. I think a lot of people are looking into alternative ways to live and with baby boomers moving into retirement age it would be great to have more options.
03-27-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I hate Trump but honestly I don't follow the Russia stuff at all. Like you guys have said, some small nugget comes out, then another comes out, nothing happens, Comey is going here, Flynn's doing this.
Today is a great example of what Dvaut, fly, and others are talking about. We've learned the shocking news that this Nunes guy totally broke prescedent and briefed the White House *before* the House subcommittee chairman. What a bombshell!

We can try to make working-class dudes in Wisconsin try to care about suspicious breaches of House committee traditions, or we can point out that an ACA repeal will make health insurance unaffordable in order to finance tax cuts for millionaires. If I had to write an editorial for USA Today, I know which narrative I'd try to sell.

Or how about this new *******ry: holding back funds to punish cities if they don't kick in doors, round up all the illegals, and tear families apart. That's the kind of of **** that gets people to go to town halls.
03-27-2017 , 02:39 PM
Do not obey in advance
https://medium.com/@wordsnwine/by-ti...y-3866a6038fd5
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Americans are no wiser than the Europeans who saw democracy yield to fascism, Nazism, or communism. Our one advantage is that we might learn from their experience. Now is a good time to do so. Here are twenty lessons from the twentieth century, adapted to the circumstances of today.
  1. Do not obey in advance. Much of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then start to do it without being asked. You’ve already done this, haven’t you? Stop. Anticipatory obedience teaches authorities what is possible and accelerates unfreedom.
  2. Defend an institution. Follow the courts or the media, or a court or a newspaper. Do not speak of “our institutions” unless you are making them yours by acting on their behalf. Institutions don’t protect themselves. They go down like dominoes unless each is defended from the beginning.
  3. Recall professional ethics. When the leaders of state set a negative example, professional commitments to just practice become much more important. It is hard to break a rule-of-law state without lawyers, and it is hard to have show trials without judges.
  4. When listening to politicians, distinguish certain words. Look out for the expansive use of “terrorism” and “extremism.” Be alive to the fatal notions of “exception” and “emergency.” Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary.
  5. Be calm when the unthinkable arrives. When the terrorist attack comes, remember that all authoritarians at all times either await or plan such events in order to consolidate power. Think of the Reichstag fire. The sudden disaster that requires the end of the balance of power, the end of opposition parties, and so on, is the oldest trick in the Hitlerian book. Don’t fall for it.
  6. Be kind to our language. Avoid pronouncing the phrases everyone else does. Think up your own way of speaking, even if only to convey that thing you think everyone is saying. (Don’t use the internet before bed. Charge your gadgets away from your bedroom, and read.) What to read? Perhaps “The Power of the Powerless” by Václav Havel, 1984 by George Orwell, The Captive Mind by Czesław Milosz, The Rebel by Albert Camus, The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt, or Nothing is True and Everything is Possible by Peter Pomerantsev.
03-27-2017 , 02:42 PM
i like how jared kushner is joining this group of people to volunteer to testify in front of congress, a few days after flynn manafort and stone also volunteered to do the same. i'm sure none of them coordinated these actions and they definitely didn't get together to get their stories straight first
03-27-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
We can try to make working-class dudes in Wisconsin try to care about suspicious breaches of House committee traditions, or we can point out that an ACA repeal will make health insurance unaffordable in order to finance tax cuts for millionaires. If I had to write an editorial for USA Today, I know which narrative I'd try to sell.
Yup.

Everyone needs to keep in mind the fact that the average American can keep about 0.5 talking points in his/her mind at one time. Keep it simple.
03-27-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Today is a great example of what Dvaut, fly, and others are talking about. We've learned the shocking news that this Nunes guy totally broke prescedent and briefed the White House *before* the House subcommittee chairman. What a bombshell!

We can try to make working-class dudes in Wisconsin try to care about suspicious breaches of House committee traditions, or we can point out that an ACA repeal will make health insurance unaffordable in order to finance tax cuts for millionaires. If I had to write an editorial for USA Today, I know which narrative I'd try to sell.

Or how about this new *******ry: holding back funds to punish cities if they don't kick in doors, round up all the illegals, and tear families apart. That's the kind of of **** that gets people to go to town halls.
Great thread on why Sessions' new proclamation is entirely unhelpful:

https://twitter.com/CAPAction/status/846422310563262466
CAP Action‏ @CAPAction 39m39 minutes ago

2. Sessions and the Trump administration argue that sanctuary cities make our communities less safe. But that's-- just. not. true.
CAP Action‏ @CAPAction 37m37 minutes ago

3. Data shows crime is statistically significantly LOWER & economies are STRONGER in sanctuary counties compared to nonsanctuary counties
CAP Action‏ @CAPAction 34m34 minutes ago

4. On avrg, sanctuary counties have:

35.5 fewer crimes per 10K people

Median household income $4,353 higher

poverty rate, 2.3% lower
CAP Action‏ @CAPAction 30m30 minutes ago

5. WH's says sanctuary cities make us less safe...but they're addressing that by threatening to cut grants... that keep communities safe
CAP Action‏ @CAPAction 29m29 minutes ago

6. Here are grants WH wants to cut in the name of "safety":

Violent Gang & Crime Reduction Program

DOJ's Sexual Assault Kit Initiative



Also, reminder, Sessions did commit perjury and he should resign immediately.
03-27-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Yup.

Everyone needs to keep in mind the fact that the average American can keep about 0.5 talking points in his/her mind at one time. Keep it simple.
if this were the secure channel for advising democratic party strategy, i might agree. but this russia storyline is interesting af, whereas the effect of trump's policies on average working folks is obvious and boring
03-27-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
if this were the secure channel for advising democratic party strategy, i might agree. but this russia storyline is interesting af, whereas the effect of trump's policies on average working folks is obvious and boring
Just look at what Tea Party style leadership has done to Alabama. They're gonna screw up big sectors of the economy by scaring away all the immigrants, give huge taxpayer giveaways to corporations as "incentives" for thousands of jobs that never seem quite that great (low wages, high stress, and high pollution jobs) and deregulate as much as possible so the industrial sector can really pollute the hell out of the air and water that everybody uses every day. But there's nothing you can do about it, since the people in the state house are directly causing it and laughing at the common people all the way to the bank.
03-27-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Lemme put it another way, he doesn't come off to me like someone who in the back of his mind is thinking "These goons better not flip like rat ****s or I'm going to be spending the rest of my life being the pussy rather than grabbing the pussy"

I just don't get the feeling he is worried about it. Maybe that is the sociopathic conman in him that has gotten away with everything his whole life, if so, damn. Cool under pressure.
You're wrong because he is deeply insecure and paranoid.
03-27-2017 , 02:56 PM
Here's the terrifying thing that Democrats need to be very aware of: Alabama citizens keep on voting for Tea Party Republicans, despite a complete lack of results across the board. The culture war is so strong here, even results don't really matter, so long as enough of the population is insulated from the worst effects. They'll keep on voting Tea Party and having the 49th highest life expectancy for forty years here, so long as the Republicans keep up their culture war against the blacks and Muslims.
03-27-2017 , 03:01 PM
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...-georgia-sixth

This guy seems like he has a ton of momentum right now. My friend in ATL says his commercials are on non-stop and he thinks he is going to win. Newt and Price old seat.
03-27-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
i like how jared kushner is joining this group of people to volunteer to testify in front of congress, a few days after flynn manafort and stone also volunteered to do the same. i'm sure none of them coordinated these actions and they definitely didn't get together to get their stories straight first
Perjury isn't a crime any more as Sessions demonstrated - why should they be worried about anything they say?
03-27-2017 , 03:03 PM
I just asked my kids to think of a pin the President might wear and what something like that might say. One of my kids said, "Peace on Earth." Ok, that's cool. They came up with a couple other ideas that sounded reasonable.

Then I showed them the picture of Trump wearing the "I Trucks" pin and they lost their ****.

My 8-year old just came skipping into the room again, laughing, "I LOVE TRUCKS!"
03-27-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Interesting fact from New Yorker article/NPR interview about billionaire Mercer family (http://www.npr.org/2017/03/22/521083...plan-for-years).

Apparently, they are full on Clinton conspiracy theorists, one of the reasons they supported Trump and Breitbart and Bannon. They think the Clinton's literally murder their enemies, like wannabe Putins or something. Clinton derangement syndrome is a powerful drug.

One of the (few) things I'm mad at Billy C. about is attending Richard Mellon-Scaife's funeral and saying nice things about him. Mellon-Scaife was a major funder of anti-Clinton fake news and right wing BS generally. I'm getting tired of dems not playing hardball with these people. Where is the dems version of the Koch organization or the Mercer's? They mainly put that $ into helping the poor or encouraging good government. I think 10% should go toward outing these fascists.
Dude Soros is 10x worse than all of those combined. Just ask chiefsplanet.

Reverse cargo-cult. All political parties exist only to benefit billionaires. All create equally deleterious policies for the common man. RWNJs are the smart ones though who know it's all a big game. Lol at you naive liberal thinking policy matters and govt could possibly help normal people. I sneer at you.
03-27-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...-georgia-sixth

This guy seems like he has a ton of momentum right now. My friend in ATL says his commercials are on non-stop and he thinks he is going to win. Newt and Price old seat.
Yeah, he's one of two candidates that has had commercials that I've noticed and the other one only ran them for a day or two (and they were terrible).

I've gotten several mailers from Ossoff already. I'll likely go to his HQ to get a yard sign this week, something I've never done.

There are a lot of signs around my area for a Republican that his been in the state legislature - I would guess he's the main competition (according to Vox, he's not) - but it seems like a foregone conclusion that Ossoff will be the leading Democrat.

EDIT: While I'm not much of a political guy, it does seem to me that one reason Tom Price has won our district so easily in recent years is simply because it was assumed he Democrats didn't have a chance. Thus, there was never any strong opposition to him. It was rare to even see a Democratic campaign add and most people probably didn't even know who the candidate was. Basically, Price was just given the district.

EDIT 2: While Ossoff told Vox that he rarely mentions Trump's name on the campaign trail, I think every mailer I've gotten has mentioned Trump and/or had Trump's face on it. He positions himself as someone who will fight against Trump.

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03-27-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Lemme put it another way, he doesn't come off to me like someone who in the back of his mind is thinking "These goons better not flip like rat ****s or I'm going to be spending the rest of my life being the pussy rather than grabbing the pussy"

I just don't get the feeling he is worried about it. Maybe that is the sociopathic conman in him that has gotten away with everything his whole life, if so, damn. Cool under pressure.
He thinks he is untouchable

maybe he is
03-27-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
i like how jared kushner is joining this group of people to volunteer to testify in front of congress, a few days after flynn manafort and stone also volunteered to do the same. i'm sure none of them coordinated these actions and they definitely didn't get together to get their stories straight first
A gif repping a liberals wet dream.



Spoiler:
"Aight. I'm putting cases on all you bitches." **** I love that movie.
03-27-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Clinton/Gore had a program called "Reinventing Government" where they sent out a bunch of MBAs slathered in hubris to make change in every department.

Kushner though isn't looking to turn government into business. He's just looking to deregulate and steal.
I've worked for several large corporations that do something similar - under the guise of Total Quality Management, or 6-sigma, or McKinsey or whatever. The key is to a) bring in outsiders because the internal entrenched power structures are untenable and b) make the system the bad guy, not the people implementing it.

Of course in practice it's just the people at the top identifying a bunch of power threats below them and chopping them off at the knees.
03-27-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
Yeah, he's one of two candidates that has had commercials that I've noticed and the other one only ran them for a day or two (and they were terrible).

I've gotten several mailers from Ossoff already. I'll likely go to his HQ to get a yard sign this week, something I've never done.

There are a lot of signs around my area for a Republican that his been in the state legislature - I would guess he's the main competition - but it seems like a foregone conclusion that Ossoff will be the leading Democrat.

EDIT: While I'm not much of a political guy, it does seem to me that one reason Tom Price has won our district so easily in recent years is simply because it was assumed he Democrats didn't have a chance. Thus, there was never any strong opposition to him. It was rare to even see a Democratic campaign add and most people probably didn't even know who the candidate was. Basically, Price was just given the district.

EDIT 2: While Ossoff told Vox that he rarely mentions Trump's name on the campaign trail, I think every mailer I've gotten has mentioned Trump and/or had Trump's face on it. He positions himself as someone who will fight against Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJlZ3Ndbw4


What an ad.
03-27-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Majik1973
A gif repping a liberals wet dream.



Spoiler:
"Aight. I'm putting cases on all you bitches." **** I love that movie.
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