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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-26-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by raheem
I believe Trump is an arbitrator. He will find a way to work with the Democrats. He will make the deal. I trust in him.
stop watching fox news today. take a month hiatus from sources like that. stick to times and pbs. you'll feel a lot better, and have a better understanding of the administration.
03-26-2017 , 01:51 AM
Yesterday we were discussing how not passing the AHCA would impact tax reform and being able to offer cuts. Someone asked, when I said it was revenue neutral, why wouldn't defense spending etc wouldn't wipe that out. I didn't really fully understand the specifics of how budget reconciliation worked as it related to tax cuts but found this article in tif Washington Post that explains it.

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That's because, due to parliamentary rules, tax revisions can't lose any revenue outside the 10-year budget window if it's going to be permanent. The question, though, is lose revenue compared to what. If Republicans had repealed the Affordable Care Act's $1 trillion worth of taxes before they revised taxes, that's $1 trillion less they'd have to come up with to make it look like money wasn't being lost.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.20d1cccea739

So basically by cutting taxes used to fund the ACA, they cut the tax revenue number they needed to meet when doing tax reform. So not only did they want to make insurance completely unaffordable to many people, they wanted to give that money ack to top tier tax payers and then DOUBLE it.

I think we need tax reform, real tax reform but it is probably the hardest thing to get done. Special interests. Come out from everywhere. There is no certainty that trump and the republicans can do that. I don't think we need reduced revenue but we do need reform. Technically any reform is supposed to be revenue neutral but as you can see with the tricks they are trying to play that can be just a technicality.

Last edited by markksman; 03-26-2017 at 01:57 AM.
03-26-2017 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
debt ceiling and budgets.
Trump is not the worst. The Freedom caucus knows it doesn't have the numbers to enact any of their own agenda. But they mostly have a mandate to obstruct anything and everything that opposes them.

It's amusing the tea party obstructionism may be as bad, or worse, for republicans as it was for democrats. Now trump needs them and the democrats or both.

It is pretty amazing this has given the democrats some real leverage in congress now.
03-26-2017 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by raheem
I believe Trump is an arbitrator. He will find a way to work with the Democrats. He will make the deal. I trust in him.
Unless arbiter is a synonym for idiot you need to step back a bit.
03-26-2017 , 02:05 AM
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I think we need tax reform, real tax reform but it is probably the hardest thing to get done.
Sure but we're gonna get some Heritage Fdn giveaway to the top 1% that is gonna be pretty much bull**** in terms of actually "fixing the tax system."
03-26-2017 , 02:52 AM
Now I think Trump is bad again.
03-26-2017 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!


This guy is never going to go across the isle and find a way to work with democrats.


Look on the bright side, he'll be able to par his own course by 2018. #winning
03-26-2017 , 03:02 AM
I wrote "Trump is not the worst". Bugs must be eating my brains.
03-26-2017 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by raheem
Now I think Trump is bad again.
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Originally Posted by raheem
Simplest answer is usually the right answer.
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03-26-2017 , 03:51 AM
Complains about being brainwashed by his girlfriend.

Keeps watching Fox News.
03-26-2017 , 03:54 AM
Hey fella, you need to stop beating up on the snowflake.
03-26-2017 , 03:56 AM
It is clear now that Obama was the GOAT
03-26-2017 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BertieWooster
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Yeah. My theory is that the Trump administration is holding guns to people's heads on Fox News and this week it officially became Trump's propaganda channel. Before this week the people on Fox News didn't realise they were brainwashed, so Trump didn't yet have to threaten them with death.

Do you guys agree with my theory?
03-26-2017 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by raheem
I believe Trump is an arbitrator. He will find a way to work with the Democrats. He will make the deal. I trust in him.
Night night sweet prince, seems you're tired of being woke up. Go back to sleep and dream of nazis and fascists and Fox News.
03-26-2017 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Hey fella, you need to stop beating up on the snowflake.
That point needed to be made.
03-26-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by raheem
Yeah. My theory is that the Trump administration is holding guns to people's heads on Fox News and this week it officially became Trump's propaganda channel. Before this week the people on Fox News didn't realise they were brainwashed, so Trump didn't yet have to threaten them with death.

Do you guys agree with my theory?
I see you haven't put quote "" "" marks around the words "holding guns."
I'm going to assume you mean literally there are people holding guns to the Fox News presenters head.
03-26-2017 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
What do you guys feel like is the reaction to Trump whiffing on ACA repeal so far? Tough to say. Breitbart seems to mostly blame Ryan. Feel like most of his supporters are downplaying it though besides the really ideological types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVpi850qp7I

This guy is off the train for other reasons
I think Ryan's 2018 primary opponent will campaign in klan robes, and we should all be somewhat afraid. R failures now, coming from someone who sincerely WANTS them to fail, only means more crazies incoming, imo...
03-26-2017 , 04:23 AM
Lawrence is a hack.
03-26-2017 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Lawrence is a hack.
Lol, of course he is. Anyone who can't see how much the child king has accomplished is obviously a hack. I mean c'mon, Drumph was surely presidential play driving that big rig, he even got to honk the horn. Sources close to the WH says he's been a clean plater almost every night and things are looking up that he might be able to use the big boy potty soon.
03-26-2017 , 04:44 AM
Only hack here is your God king
03-26-2017 , 04:48 AM
Dementia.
03-26-2017 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!


This guy is never going to go across the isle and find a way to work with democrats.
It is not surprising, but it is obvious that Trump doesnt have a clue how politics work. He seems to think the way to turn a No into a Yes is to insult those who say no.
03-26-2017 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
It is not surprising, but it is obvious that Trump doesnt have a clue how politics work. He seems to think the way to turn a No into a Yes is to insult those who say no.
Been clear for a long time that what Trump means by negotiating is threatening people. It's a strategy that works great when you have way more money to pay lawyers than the other guy.
03-26-2017 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagine


No holding back.

"the laziest, most ignorant, most incompetent, and now the most irrelevant president."
The only thing missing is Lawrence saying "Donny, go home and get your ****ing shine box."
03-26-2017 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Lawrence is a hack.
Amazing how the right mocks snowflakes and then cry when someone says something bad about daddy.

      
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