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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-25-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No, only by the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms, I think. Essentially, to bring him to book, the Congress has to impeach him, should they happen to feel like it. And both times that happened it didn't achieve much. (The House impeached but the Senate acquitted, perhaps rightly. Nixon would probably have been convicted, given the make-up of Congress at the time, but he resigned first.) The trouble is that the Constitution is the oldest working republican constitution in the world and the framers simply treated the president as an elected king. That's what he is, and if he turns out to be a crook it's a bit tricky to do anything about it.
The Senate Sergeant-at-Arms can only "arrest" or "detain" someone to bring them to the Senate.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory...nt_at_arms.htm
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As the Senate’s chief law enforcement officer, the sergeant at arms can compel senators to come to the Senate Chamber to establish a quorum. In addition, the sergeant at arms supervises the Senate wing of the Capitol, maintaining security in the Capitol and in all the Senate buildings and controlling access to the Senate Chamber and galleries. The sergeant at arms also protects the members and can arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules.
I don't know what Senate rule the President could break that would compel his (or her) arrest.
03-25-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mecantplay
This should be official anthem for Trump
/of course made by russians/
Phew, no gays kissing.
03-25-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
He cannot be arrested while President.

But he can be (temporally) removed as President very quickly; see Amendment 25. And subsequently arrested thereafter.
Still loving Trump? When is the pivot planned for?
03-25-2017 , 04:54 PM
Can't have it both ways HueHuecoyotl.

Either you want:

Trump signing EO's and trying to get Congress to pass terrible legislation for Him to sign

OR

Play golf
03-25-2017 , 04:54 PM
haha, Annie Duke on CNN right now with all of the poker analogies.
03-25-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Still loving Trump? When is the pivot planned for?
There are some things that He has done that I think are good. Begin the Keystone XL fast track approval process. Remove the US from TPP.

In general though, he hasn't done much. Some of his picks for the Cabinet have sucked. Wasn't a fan of Puzder. Glad he didn't make it. I am under the impression that either Sessions perjured himself or is so old and senile he doesn't remember meeting the Russian ambassador. He sucks.

In regards to the ACA... So I work in health care. Primarily my concern with health care is self interested. Specifically nothing that rocks the boat to jeopardize my salary and/or career. In general, anything that approaches a Public Option or Single Payer I'm against because of the resulting blows to health care worker salaries. I don't want to drone on about health care in the United States, but factually all health care workers, no matter what occupation, make more in the USA than their other 1st world country counterparts. Honestly, I would rather fix the ACA then let it blow up and have to fade Medicare for All.

As an aside. Honestly, what in the ****ing **** was that GOP Health Care bill?

Literally all it was, was removing the 3.8% Medicare surtaxes on investment income >$250k and the 0.9% payroll tax on income >$250 AND THEN kicking 20MM people off of Medicaid? Literally the ads write themselves in 2018. I'm glad that ****ing thing died.

All in All, no substantial legislation has been passed so far. Some serious missteps have occurred with role out of the EO's for example, no doubt.

Again though, Clovis. There will never be a pivot. I'll call out both the good and the bad. I don't cheer for the Red team or the Blue team. I cheer for the United States.
03-25-2017 , 05:12 PM
Ok I'm an idiot. What does Flynn has flipped mean? Thanks in advance.
03-25-2017 , 05:15 PM
Will reveal all the bad stuff he and others did in return for immunity/lesser sentence/etc.

They wouldn't generally give him this option, and let him off so easily, unless he had some dirt they wanted on someone higher up that they are after.
03-25-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Can't have it both ways HueHuecoyotl.

Either you want:

Trump signing EO's and trying to get Congress to pass terrible legislation for Him to sign

OR

Play golf


https://twitter.com/seanspicer/statu...44347228950528
03-25-2017 , 05:19 PM
God I hope i'm not wrong but trump doesnt make it 6 months at the rate this has been going. Besides just the russia stuff, there's a chance he goes off the deep end, gets frustrated and quits, or any number of insane possibilities

The russia stuff is just off the charts bizarre. This is a level of corruption never before witnessed in US politics, thanks trumpkins. What an embarassment.

HILLARY EMAILS THO OBV
03-25-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Ok I'm an idiot. What does Flynn has flipped mean? Thanks in advance.
It would mean something like he's made a deal with the FBI to exchange info/testimony/etc for immunity/reduced charges/etc.
03-25-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
In regards to the ACA... So I work in health care. Primarily my concern with health care is self interested. Specifically nothing that rocks the boat to jeopardize my salary and/or career.

...

Again though, Clovis. There will never be a pivot. I'll call out both the good and the bad. I don't cheer for the Red team or the Blue team. I cheer for the United States.
You are legitimately a bad person and nobody will ever give you the intellectual respect your parents told you that you deserve lol.
03-25-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
It would mean something like he's made a deal with the FBI to exchange info/testimony/etc for immunity/reduced charges/etc.
Haha cool. Thanks. No prob though cuz Nunes is on it.
03-25-2017 , 05:29 PM
Honestly in the last year or two i've had serious doubts about our system and just democracy/republics in general, but if the US pulls through this the way we have been for the last few months, i'm god damn impressed and proud of this country. I have been so envouraged by the stuff i'm reading and seeing. It's the only thing keeping me going through this bull**** darkness. And yea a lot of it has been the GOP shooting itself in the foot but there is a real and strong resistance growing in huge swaths of the nation right now

And yea it hits a little close to home because 2 close friends of mine are probably not goin to be able to stay in. One has lived here since he was an infant and the other is here on a work visa and was close to a residency card. She wants me to marry her if things go south. People are ****ing terrified and i am trying to grasp onto what little i can, the last week has helped a lot
03-25-2017 , 05:34 PM
Is what's actually going on that Trump is Russian's puppet and a WW3 is gonna happen?
03-25-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
Honestly in the last year or two i've had serious doubts about our system and just democracy/republics in general, but if the US pulls through this the way we have been for the last few months, i'm god damn impressed and proud of this country. I have been so envouraged by the stuff i'm reading and seeing. It's the only thing keeping me going through this bull**** darkness. And yea a lot of it has been the GOP shooting itself in the foot but there is a real and strong resistance growing in huge swaths of the nation right now

And yea it hits a little close to home because 2 close friends of mine are probably not goin to be able to stay in. One has lived here since he was an infant and the other is here on a work visa and was close to a residency card. She wants me to marry her if things go south. People are ****ing terrified and i am trying to grasp onto what little i can, the last week has helped a lot
Dude, the only thing that is sure that you don't know. A lot of theories out there and one is correct. We might be witnessing Putin's endgame and he's gonna start taking over countries now.
03-25-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Ok I'm an idiot. What does Flynn has flipped mean? Thanks in advance.
He's a rat basically.

I think there's truth to it. Manafort, Stone, and Carter all volunteered to talk to the House Intelligence Committee yesterday. And it probably wasn't to exchange recipes.
03-25-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
He's a rat basically.

I think there's truth to it. Manafort, Stone, and Carter all volunteered to talk to the House Intelligence Committee yesterday. And it probably wasn't to exchange recipes.
i'm sure they didn't all decide to volunteer to testify after privately meeting to get their stories straight. that's not what's happening
03-25-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
This is bull****. What was Obama supposed to do to force wealth redustribution beyond what he did? This false equivilancy is a scam.
Generally, he could have pushed for some incremental steps to help stem the bleeding (which he may well have done, maybe just enough for me to appreciate it). I think where he really dropped the ball was in the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis. He had a once-in-several-lifetimes opportunity to totally reshape the way the U.S. economy runs and he used it to give handouts to the wealthy.

Maybe instead of bailouts he could have nationalized a bank or two (maybe even the Federal Reserve if he played things just right), break up all the other big banks into thousands of pieces, and maybe even used AIG as a pretext to break up large non-bank corporations. Maybe use those bailout trillions to keep banks just barely alive after the massive haircut they were forced to take on residential mortgages and student loan debt.

The financial crisis could have been for anti-corporate progressives what 9/11 was for pro-war neocons.
03-25-2017 , 05:47 PM
Man, he got enough heat for the GM bailout. No way Obama would have had enough political capital to go full nationalized banks.
03-25-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by raheem
Is what's actually going on that Trump is Russian's puppet and a WW3 is gonna happen?
This kind of question is why people think you are trolling.
03-25-2017 , 05:54 PM
03-25-2017 , 06:02 PM
*found it

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03-25-2017 , 06:03 PM


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03-25-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
In regards to the ACA... So I work in health care. Primarily my concern with health care is self interested. Specifically nothing that rocks the boat to jeopardize my salary and/or career. In general, anything that approaches a Public Option or Single Payer I'm against because of the resulting blows to health care worker salaries. I don't want to drone on about health care in the United States, but factually all health care workers, no matter what occupation, make more in the USA than their other 1st world country counterparts. Honestly, I would rather fix the ACA then let it blow up and have to fade Medicare for All.

As an aside. Honestly, what in the ****ing **** was that GOP Health Care bill?

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What else could you have possibly expected? The GOP was never going to produce a credible alternative

      
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