Is Rep. Joe Kennedy III a possibility in 2020? He's good-looking, seems to say the right thing, and he's got that name...or is he still too lightweight?

You don't understand the concept of break even price per barrel of oil to make extraction and transportation economically viable?

I didn't say anything about mines, but let's just take the example of tar sands, which is what keystone xl would carry. SAGD burns some of the oil on site to separate more oil from the sand and send it down the pipe. Environmental oversight is great, but the construction itself is still destructive to the environment. Not sure why that's a controversial point for you.

So maybe investment into renewables is better than building more oil infrastructure?

Fracking brings down the cost of extraction. It's literally the best price control the oil industry has, start or continue fracking more and the business becomes more profitable. It increases the amount of recoverable oil in the formation. That's what DAPL would carry. Almost all of Bakken oil is fracked. You could build the pipeline, but if legislatures deem that fracking causes earthquakes and stops approving them, your pipeline may have to stop.

Shifting goalposts much? Greens never accomplished that. That's why I hope democrats adopt a platform that makes new oil pipelines harder to build. Even gas would be better.

lol indeed...


CNN Politics
March 24, 2017 12:52pm EDT
JUST IN

House GOP doesn't have the numbers for the bill
From CNN's Dana Bash

A GOP source said Ryan is showing Trump the numbers, and asking what he wants him to do because the votes aren’t there at this point.

in b4 orange fuhrer meltdown

CNN Politics
March 24, 2017 12:39pm EDT
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Source on Ryan/Trump meeting: "Not good"
From CNN's Phil Mattingly

Ryan’s visit to the White House is not to deliver good news, according to a GOP source.

The efforts on Capitol Hill to sway members are ongoing, but things aren’t heading in the right direction.

“Not good. Not good at all,” source said.

They’ve had few firm commitments from conservatives and have seen a continued exodus of moderates. This was exactly what House leadership was worried would happen when they changed the bill, the source notes.

Source would not speculate what happens next, but this is “obviously a crucial meeting”

vote set for 330.

I think it would be fun to have Trump attack the legacy of the Kennedys for 6 months.

Yeah I've decided it must be the case. Just too silly and no offense to non Americans here many of you know more about our government then many of us Americans but I don't feel this is the place to coddle and explain American politics to someone who fully bought into trump,

Just to clarify, I'm not a troll. I just woke up from conservative brainwashing a few days ago, so maybe I'm still just trying to understand what's going on.

Please just don't troll me, cos I don't understand it when you do and it serves no purpose. We should be talking about the potentially harmful things Trump is doing to America.

Like he changed from using the term "fake news" to using the term "fake media", which is akin to the use of the term "Lügenpresse" by Hitler.

What's the upside? Laying down and being polite is what the democrats contributed to this mess.

It's like people are unable to multi task. Is talking about Russia and healthcare at the same time too taxing?

Of course it is but so what? So is building roads, homes, commercial space, airports, baseball diamonds, solar farms, wind towers...literally every single thing ever built.

The only real question is the environmental harm outweighed by the economic benefit.

This is where so much of the green lobby simply look like morons; as if saying "but its bad for the environment" should end the debate.

It's not either or. In my province, our main industry is oil and gas but we also just adopted one of the world most progressive carbon taxes to fund green energy. People need to stop pretending the two are mutually exclusive.

We have a society to run and right now it runs off fossil fuel. That almost certainly wont be the case in the future but right now it is.


We were not talking about DAPL specifically so dont assume I know which of the thousands of pipelines being installed every year you are referring too. You are acting like US shale production is all oil and gas. It's not.

I would be happy to bet actual money against this.

Agree, but suspect he's sincere.

But, the again, he seems to take a real interest in posting in politics given that it seems he was born yesterday. But, like Kant, people can awake from dogmatic slumbers (ok, probably not much like Kant).

Some trump supporters i know are very touche on the Russian stuff. Healthcare too. The rest meh... For sure going to keep poking the puppet with them.

Good tweet thread on how the republicans painted themselves into a corner with Obamacare.




https://mobile.twitter.com/AJentleso...97206815023107

I'm not smart enough to understand what you mean by dogmatic slumber, but I suspect it means that I just realised reality, which is true. I just realised the Nazi side of Trump, and I will never unsee it. 100% I'm sincere. Moved from a Trump supporter to I think a Trump hater.

would you please turn that radio off

https://twitter.com/HardballChris/st...77591426039808



This is a Chris Matthews tweet from Monday. Same day as Kentucky speech. We both realised that it was a very bizarre speech. A little Hitlerian. I use that term because that's what Matthews used of Trump's inauguration speech, and I can see now that in a way he was right.

In general, I don't think we should discourage people from asking good faith basic questions about how US politics works. This guy does seem a bit dubious tho.

"I like presidents who don't get shot, ok?"

Go ahead and bet. I am sure you can find the appropriate instrument for this, e.g. Exxon Mobil stock.

Reagan and Lincoln tho

Raheem,

Do you understand that your pleas for clemency for you and all other trump voters rings quite hollow considering firstly that we ****ing told you this **** would happen over and over and over again and you didn't listen and secondly that the trump breitbart o'reilly people give absolutely no quarter when it comes to mistakes made by say african americans. You get caught with a quarter of weed? Personal responsibility, zero tolerance, no parole. You're an 18 year old girl who has sex and gets pregnant? No abortion, personal responsibility, raise that kid even if it ruins your life. You and millions of people like you willfully disregard the obvious signs that trump is a pure conman scumbag and vote a dangerous lunatic into office? Please no backlash just care and understanding and another chance. It's pretty ****ing tilting to hear tbh.

Stop saying that. It's absurd and annoying. What actually happened is you decided it would be a fun line to take here.

Okay, well you clearly are wrong. That's all I can say. Plenty of people on here that know I'm not a troll. 2+2 as a forum is unnecessarily negative. That's a fact.

Snowflake.