Rumors are McConnell already has a completely different bill for the senate so doesn't matter what they pass when they do the senate might then pass McConnell version then house would be forced to vote on that.

Not a good thing by any stretch but the senate will have its own buy in issues.

lol no.

First time it came to widespread use is when Dems were trying to explain Trump's win. Then Trump started using it and changed the meaning.

Actually the first time "fake news" was used in the media that I'm aware of is when Norm Macdonald used it on Weekend Update. He used it cos that's a thing a ******ed person would say, that he was doing fake news. The news weren't fake, that's the joke.

Great argument you have, "lol no". What a fantastic argument!

I'm probably extra late on this, but there's at least three different threads this could go in and I want to put it everywhere:

^^ Thanks for the laugh. Trump has always been pure entertainment value.

Fake news was used well before the actual election and a lol no should suffice.

Anyone typing the bolded needs to understand the environment of this forum moah.

This is a link I pulled from the October LC thread:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ke-news-174438

Note how they use fake news, no explaining it as a concept, it was already well established.

Another Russian backed, blonde-haired, orange-faced fascist...

France's Marine Le Pen urges end to Russia sanctions

Quelle surprise!

I don't think you know what the word elitism means.

It's Fox News, so it's probably completely inaccurate. I'm sure the Trump slappies in the government are trying to spin anything as evidence that he didn't lie in his Tweets.

Fox News have gone from fairly conservative to more moderate ever since Monday. Tucker Carlson is saying America doesn't have free speech anymore. Everyone is freaking out over there cos they realised how much of a fascist Trump is. Maybe the change is less drastic on other channels as they have already realised what chaos is going on.

thanks

I honestly can't tell if Trump is sabotaging health care as a good strategic move or because he's legit bored and wants to get to the tax cuts.

Oh FFS, is the MSM still stuck with the idea that some secret Apprentice tape or a 15-Tweet link between Trump and Putin is how Dems will stop Trump? Can someone forward a couple of Dvaut posts to the NYT for me?

When people say they want the factories back, they tend to look back with heavy nostalgia glasses on. That's ok because the manufacturing plants that closed up North are reopening down South, without the unions and the safety measures, pay, or good hours the unions fought for. Not to mention factory work just sucks.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-crushed-limbs

You both should check out Trump Regrets on twitter

Trump wants that massive tax cut before he gets impeached

Like with their coverage of things like the "Obama wiretapping Trump" story, right? Fox News is a cartoon where they sprinkle in reality on occasion for effect.

Trump is President because you voted for him, dude, take some ****ing personal responsbility

And yeah the way to flip regretful Trump voters is to make clear that Trump conned them and they are victims too, not ***** and whine that ****ing race traitor Jew libs MADE people vote for Trump by being madder at George Zimmerman getting away with murder than they were about Colin Kaepernick kneeling.

Which, if you recall, is your ****ing position.

Trump care failure gives him ammo to talk **** on Ryan and the republicans. I don't think he cares has much about winning than just having the spot light on him and causing havoc. He can have his base in a frenzy and they will come to his rallies.

Also remember non-voters or irregular voters, a majority or maybe sizeable majority of whom are ultimately sympathetic to Democrats and who are in the kind of life circumstances that need varying degrees of government assistance and who can probably be animated by the very practical and direct appeals to issues that effect them personally and are *not* bothered or ultimately don't pay any attention to either Zimmerman or Kaepernick.

Democrats are loathe to engage in the politics of naked self-interest like the Republicans. But why not? Secret Apprentice tapes, Russia, Kaepernick and Zimmerman are ultimately distant and not a first-order priority for people. Health care, food, home heating, maternity leave are things that deeply matter to lots of people.

I've fallen prey myself to the politics of virtues. I get it. It's good to have principles. But here's the thing! We can have both. Our virtues are taking things from richer people to make less rich peoples' lives better! Why not embrace that? Talk about that all the time. It matters to all of us.

You might flip some regretful Trump voters too. You will animate some people who didn't vote for you recently but ultimately agree with you. And you make the base happy. WIN WIN WIN. Democrats seem to REALLY want to wage a politics of making people give a **** about cops shooting black people and Ukrainian autonomy and the preciousness of dismantling the influence of Russian trolls and bots from Facebook news feeds. I fall prey to it too. But we need to collective realize the costs here. That lots of people couldn't give a **** about any of that, they need cheaper medicine and they need access to quality health care. Maybe later, some day, when we get our **** together, or get someone really charismatic like Obama we can expand to larger issues and deeper culture wars and cure alot of systemic derp. But that day isn't today.

Chiefsplanet has a thread bitching about how Republicans are allowing private info to be sold to ISPs. Dems can just crush it if they actually run on bread and butter policy instead of tweetstorming an indecipherable web of Russia ties.

But the Russians have bermisrched the sacred honor of our elections, so sacred is that honor that something like 40% of voters don't even bother to participate, and those sacrosanct elections have been adulterated because of pee pee videos Exxon mob ties to credit access bribes, which means Putin will put his thumb over Eastern Europe. This is very critical. Once voters get the smoking gun as soon as WaPo produces it for us, voters will see, once and for all, that Donald Trump is a very bad man, which people have not been informed about until now.