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01-28-2017 , 02:25 PM

#2076

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by master3004

I've been questioning whether the Democrats should stoop to the new set of rules created by the republicans during Obama's presidency, and after the first week, I don't see how that is not the only optional play.

Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Everything.

Every single thing he attempts to do that the Senate and house have the possibility to obstruct , good or bad, from now until the end of his term.

This cannot stand.

I was the one arguing against this a month ago. Wow was I naive. I agree every action possible to stop him must be employed.

01-28-2017 , 02:26 PM

#2077

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Serious question; at what point does violence become morally-required when a corrupt government has taken control and normal checks and balances are failing?

We are not at this point yet, but unbelievably it's something that requires serious discussion given the tea leaves.

ask the pizzagate investigator

01-28-2017 , 02:28 PM

#2078

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

ask the pizzagate investigator

Perhaps I'm missing your point but this seems like a major false equivelency.

01-28-2017 , 02:28 PM

#2079

master3004

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I'm afraid it's coming.

Like, keep me awake at night afraid.

I am stridently anti-violence, and yet I would not be surprised to find myself supporting a rebel cause.

01-28-2017 , 02:29 PM

#2080

iron81

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Originally Posted by Bullycider

no ladders in the part of the world?

They use rockets and tunnels instead.

01-28-2017 , 02:30 PM

#2081

DBLK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Thisisfinedog.jpg

Just at this moment they are showing on CCTV (Chinese state broadcaster) graphics of how the Chinese long-range nuclear missiles are capable of striking the US east coast.

Interesting rhetorics if nothing more.

01-28-2017 , 02:31 PM

#2082

will1530

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

At what point are you willing to die to stop the government?

01-28-2017 , 02:32 PM

#2083

bobman0330

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So why are people with green cards being banned? Is it a technicality in a poorly worded order or is it intentional? If intentional, I find banning people with green cards to be highly alarming. I'm a conservative but didn't vote for Trump. I'm hoping even Trump supporters will realize how messed up this is unless it's a misunderstanding from the intent of the bill.

When are you people going to grasp that Trump and his supporters do not believe that nonwhites are "real" Americans? Of course it's mindbogglingly cruel to underhandedly deport lawful permanent residents from war-torn countries. That's the point. The Supreme Court's opinion in Dred Scott is a guide to how they view nonwhite foreigners: "beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race either in social or political relations, and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect." Cruelty towards the weak proves out their superior status.

01-28-2017 , 02:34 PM

#2084

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh

So why are people with green cards being banned? Is it a technicality in a poorly worded order or is it intentional? If intentional, I find banning people with green cards to be highly alarming. I'm a conservative but didn't vote for Trump. I'm hoping even Trump supporters will realize how messed up this is unless it's a misunderstanding from the intent of the bill.

Dont hold your breath for that one. They will rationalize it. Fanatism is going to destroy your country. GG

01-28-2017 , 02:34 PM

#2085

Clovis8

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Here are the normal checks and balances which failed to date and we are not a month into his presidency.

No tax returns
No divestiture by him or parts of his cabinet
Cabinet not providing normal financial disclosures
Not a single republican standing up against anything
The most amount of executive orders of any president
Calling the 4th estate the opposition party
Forcing the press secretary to lie

Am I missing anything?

01-28-2017 , 02:36 PM

#2086

einbert

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Nazis in the White House (Bannon)
He's trying to put a guy with less education than most people in this forum in charge of the world's largest nuclear arsenal
Sec. of State funds climate change denial, Sec. of Labor is against raising the minimum wage and unions

01-28-2017 , 02:36 PM

#2087

microbet

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Non-violent resistance like blocking traffic, chaining yourself to stuff, strikes, sit-ins, etc work if enough people do it. It would help if liberals didn't call the resistors a bunch of naive, unorganized, directionless, dirty, good for nothing hippies and instead joined them.

So, basically WAAF.

01-28-2017 , 02:38 PM

#2088

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Perhaps I'm missing your point but this seems like a major false equivelency.

the bar is too low for right wing nuts and too high for left wing nuts

01-28-2017 , 02:41 PM

#2089

Riverman

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Luckily there is already a playbook for resisting from the 60s. But let's please not buy into the GOP narrative that King gave some speeches and black people magically gained equality. There was a ****load of blood spilled. This time will probably be the same.

01-28-2017 , 02:43 PM

#2090

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

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Julie Kirchner, the former executive director of the*Federation for American Immigration Reform*(FAIR), has been named chief of staff at U.S.*Customs and Border Protection*(CBP), the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

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Since its founding in 1979, FAIR has push an agenda centered on a complete moratorium on all immigration to the United States and defined by vicious attacks on non-white immigrants.*

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...administration

01-28-2017 , 02:44 PM

#2091

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NYT reporting streamlining immigration for Christians, how this **** hasn't already been declared unconstitutional I have no idea.

01-28-2017 , 02:46 PM

#2092

einbert

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Originally Posted by microbet

Non-violent resistance like blocking traffic, chaining yourself to stuff, strikes, sit-ins, etc work if enough people do it. It would help if liberals didn't call the resistors a bunch of naive, unorganized, directionless, dirty, good for nothing hippies and instead joined them.

So, basically WAAF.

Also I can't say it enough--going out and talking to people in real life. Spend your online energy organizing, learning about how and where to activate, and building a network of allies. Real life time is when we want to preach directly to moderates + conservatives, for the most part. Spend your energy wisely.

01-28-2017 , 02:46 PM

#2093

Jbrochu

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Going to be fun watching crops rot in the fields. Although I guess they'll have plenty of forced prison labor from the influx of political prisoners.

01-28-2017 , 02:48 PM

#2094

master3004

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Originally Posted by einbert

While I agree with this, don't underscore online activism as worthless. We are seeing on this forum alone a number of names coming forward, asking how to get involved in talking to their congresscritters, how to join the protests, what they can do to help. We can make a difference here as well.

01-28-2017 , 02:48 PM

#2095

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NYT reporting streamlining immigration for Christians, how this **** hasn't already been declared unconstitutional I have no idea.

I briefly skimmed the text of the EO in the NYT this morning and it appears the streamlining is specifically for "religions subject to persecution in their home country and who are a religious minority in their home country" (paraphrasing), so without context it passes a smell test the same way "poll taxes apply to everyone equally" passes a smell test.

01-28-2017 , 02:49 PM

#2096

microbet

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Originally Posted by Riverman

NYT reporting streamlining immigration for Christians, how this **** hasn't already been declared unconstitutional I have no idea.

Not long before "it's a Christian country. If you don't like that, leave. " becomes the ubiquitous response.

01-28-2017 , 02:50 PM

#2097

master3004

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

So does this mean shiites will be allowed from sunni controlled countries and vice versa?

01-28-2017 , 02:51 PM

#2098

wheatrich

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I HATE making phone calls/socializing/activism and all that and I'm seriously considering doing all of this. This is completely nuts.

01-28-2017 , 02:53 PM

#2099

Huehuecoyotl

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So does this mean shiites will be allowed from sunni controlled countries and vice versa?

In betting not even though they're in danger. It's probably why they wrote it that way.

01-28-2017 , 03:03 PM

#2100

iron81

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NYT reporting streamlining immigration for Christians, how this **** hasn't already been declared unconstitutional I have no idea.

Maybe this is the last remnant of my naive optimism, but I think it's because it's the weekend.

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