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01-28-2017 , 01:47 PM

#2051

microbet

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At this point I'm just as worried about the wall being used like the Berlin Wall, to keep people in.

01-28-2017 , 01:47 PM

#2052

Clovis8

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The dow jones is a close to meaningless as a measure of the economy as could be designed. You should never base any decision on it nor use it in any economic debate.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/20...lieve-the-hype

This is why it will surely be Trump's primary measure of the economy.

01-28-2017 , 01:49 PM

#2053

Kukraprout

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Another thing that pisses me off about that insane ban: there are lots of young people who live in ****ty theocracies like Iran who love American culture, look up to America for values like freedom and tolerance, and have the potential to make their society better in the future. Now America told them they want nothing to do with them. Good job, morons.

01-28-2017 , 01:49 PM

#2054

Clovis8

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I wish there was a betting market for the price of Trump's idiotic wall. I would snap place every dollar I have on the over of $15 billion.

01-28-2017 , 01:52 PM

#2055

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

The KKK is basically running the country. These are not people known for thier subtle understanding of global geopolitics. Thier political inquiry does not go beyond brown people are bad.

01-28-2017 , 01:52 PM

#2056

einbert

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

Trump Refugee Rule May Block Military Interpreters from US
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...reters-us.html

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A new executive order issued by President Donald Trump on Friday that temporarily halts the entrance of most refugees into the U.S. while indefinitely ending the entrance of refugees from Syria may impact a program that brings to the U.S. Iraqis and Afghans who have served with American forces as interpreters.

The executive order, signed Friday evening, puts at least a 120-day hold on new refugees from all countries while officials conduct a review of the refugee screening process. A separate rule also puts a 90-day hold on the entrance of all immigrants from a series of countries considered particularly high-risk, including Iraq. When the refugee program restarts, the order states, the U.S. will accept only 50,000 refugees annually, down from the current 110,000.

Currently, only one percent of the world's 19.5 million refugees are ever resettled, according to Catholic Social Services, a nonprofit that assists the U.S. government with refugees.

Interpreters who work for U.S. forces are able to apply for resettlement in the U.S. under a Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program because they are often targeted for assassination due to their association with the U.S. The SIV program in Afghanistan is still accepting new applicants, according to the State Department, while a near identical program existed in Iraq until it was sunset for new applicants last April.

About 500 Iraqi applicants and their families and about 13,000 Afghan applicants and their families are still in the SIV pipeline awaiting final approval, officials with State Department said. The application for resettlement through SIV can take up to three years, according to SIV advocates, in part because SIV refugees receive vetting from every U.S. intelligence agency, they said.

01-28-2017 , 01:52 PM

#2057

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Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen

the only country where the US has not bombed in the last few years is Iran. common sense would dictate closer scrutiny is paid to citizens coming from those countries.

01-28-2017 , 01:53 PM

#2058

DTD

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I get that, but the NASDAQ etc are at decent levels also (I shouldn't have mentioned the Dow Jones perhaps). It's the lack of a fairly significant drop over the last couple of months I'm struggling with.

01-28-2017 , 01:54 PM

#2059

Jbrochu

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Originally Posted by microbet

At this point I'm just as worried about the wall being used like the Berlin Wall, to keep people in.

Yeah, and here's where we're going to pay for not holding Obama accountable for not rolling back the Patriot act, no fly lists without due process, illegal spying on Americans, etc.

I mean we were in a no-win situation since the Republicans would have only been worse, but I feel like I should have fought much harder about this stuff.

01-28-2017 , 01:58 PM

#2060

master3004

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Hey great, now a border war with Iran. Beautiful. In one week we have a border war with Iran and a trade war with Mexico.

Thisisfine.jpg

01-28-2017 , 02:00 PM

#2061

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Refugee screening is already very rigorous. Donald's dumb**** squad will almost assuredly make it less so while telling everyone they are safer than ever.

01-28-2017 , 02:00 PM

#2062

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by DTD

Can some expert explain the Dow Jones level to me? I do have some qualifications in investment but I can't get my head around it.

If you have very low unemployment and low immigration, then you can't get growth from more workers to support your base. Improved efficiency seems dubious (even without the wall), and where do new ideas come from if there is a tech brain drain from the US? I guess Trump may say he's helping small businesses get off the ground, but I'm struggling to make sense of it.

The DOW Jones is basically worthless and it's only still valued because it's been around forever.

There have been two Planet Money podcast about the DOW in the last few months. Worth checking out.

01-28-2017 , 02:02 PM

#2063

Chippa58

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JICVgMoSCQ

01-28-2017 , 02:02 PM

#2064

DBLK

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Interesting article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7550601.html

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China military official says war with US under Donald Trump 'becoming practical reality'

Last edited by DBLK; 01-28-2017 at 02:10 PM.

01-28-2017 , 02:02 PM

#2065

Dr. Meh

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So why are people with green cards being banned? Is it a technicality in a poorly worded order or is it intentional? If intentional, I find banning people with green cards to be highly alarming. I'm a conservative but didn't vote for Trump. I'm hoping even Trump supporters will realize how messed up this is unless it's a misunderstanding from the intent of the bill.

01-28-2017 , 02:05 PM

#2066

TheHip41

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Of ****ing course its intentional.

Trumps policy = If you aren't white, gtfo

01-28-2017 , 02:15 PM

#2067

yeSpiff

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ACLU sues White House over immigration ban!

Last edited by yeSpiff; 01-28-2017 at 02:16 PM. Reason: nice avatar microbet! =)

01-28-2017 , 02:15 PM

#2068

master3004

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Originally Posted by DBLK

Interesting article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7550601.html

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01-28-2017 , 02:17 PM

#2069

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullycider

How about you describe for us what the immigration process from those places used to be like, and why it was inadequate, if you indeed support "scrutiny" and not a total ban?

01-28-2017 , 02:18 PM

#2070

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by yeSpiff

ACLU sues White House over immigration ban!

So what. He is about to put a knuckle dragging partisan on the court. The Supreme Court will allow every disgusting non-constitutional thing he comes up with in a 5/4 vote because sadly there does not appear to be one ****ing republican with an ounce of character.

01-28-2017 , 02:19 PM

#2071

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

How about you describe for us what the immigration process from those places used to be like, and why it was inadequate, if you indeed support "scrutiny" and not a total ban?

Rotfl. You are asking a trumpkin for evidence to back up thier position. Good one. I needed a chuckle.

01-28-2017 , 02:20 PM

#2072

master3004

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Then the Democrats must not let him. I will be contacting both my senators upon his announcement of his candidate and demanding a filibuster lest they lose my vote next election.

01-28-2017 , 02:20 PM

#2073

zikzak

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Originally Posted by Bullycider

no ladders in the part of the world?

01-28-2017 , 02:22 PM

#2074

master3004

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Originally Posted by master3004

Then the Democrats must not let him. I will be contacting both my senators upon his announcement of his candidate and demanding a filibuster lest they lose my vote next election.

I've been questioning whether the Democrats should stoop to the new set of rules created by the republicans during Obama's presidency, and after the first week, I don't see how that is not the only optional play.

Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Everything.

Every single thing he attempts to do that the Senate and house have the possibility to obstruct , good or bad, from now until the end of his term.

This cannot stand.

01-28-2017 , 02:24 PM

#2075

Clovis8

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Serious question; at what point does violence become morally-required when a corrupt government has taken control and normal checks and balances are failing?

We are not at this point yet, but unbelievably it's something that requires serious discussion given the tea leaves.

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