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03-22-2017 , 11:50 AM

#20326

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

Elaborate?

wouldn't a double agent be secretly working for america while russia thinks he's an agent for russia? manafort seems like just a russian single agent

03-22-2017 , 11:52 AM

#20327

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WITSEC vs PutinSEC, pros and cons? Asking for a friend.

03-22-2017 , 11:52 AM

#20328

microbet

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He wanted you to think he was a double agent, but he was really a triple agent.

03-22-2017 , 11:52 AM

#20329

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Also Gorsuck doesn't seem to give a ratsass about precedent wrt Chevron so there's no reason to believe that he gives a ratsass about precedent wrt Roe despite what he said yesterday.

03-22-2017 , 11:55 AM

#20330

rtd353

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

Smoking gun

Its not

03-22-2017 , 11:59 AM

#20331

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"russia is a ruse" LOLoLol

03-22-2017 , 11:59 AM

#20332

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

He was the campaign chairman!

Right, but also is rumored to have continued working with Trump in an unofficial capacity.

03-22-2017 , 12:11 PM

#20333

Autocratic

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Originally Posted by Sighsalot

Elaborate?

I've posted about this, possibly in this thread. Trump and his people are not agents of Russia in the sense that their primary motivation is furthering Russian interests. That seems to be the standard liberal line on this situation, and it's incoherent nonsense. These people aren't aligning with Russia, they are aligning with capital that happens to be in Russia.

03-22-2017 , 12:17 PM

#20334

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

I agree with this assessment, but only insofar as what we know right now. I think a case could be made that they are performing as "agents of Russia" if they are actively working with Russian intel to affect the election process. (FWIW I believe that this applies to, at the very least, Roger Stone, because try as I may I cannot come up with any other logical reason for him to have been in touch with Guccifer.)

Obviously there's no "smoking gun" at this point so your assessment remains correct, but there might be at some point and I agree that bridge should be crossed then.

03-22-2017 , 12:19 PM

#20335

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Gorsuck refuses to answer question regarding his feelings on same-sex marriage.

This is definitely Heritage's guy

03-22-2017 , 12:22 PM

#20336

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rtd353

Its not

Why?

03-22-2017 , 12:24 PM

#20337

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https://twitter.com/ericgarland/stat...63508465487872

Pretty good thread here by Eric Garland. He's basically implicating Devin Nunes

03-22-2017 , 12:24 PM

#20338

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I think the Manafort stuff is a little overblown right now, it's the "smoking gun" the same way Flynn's contacts were.

03-22-2017 , 12:24 PM

#20339

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Autocratic

Sure maybe generally speaking that is true. However reporting clearly states manafort was collecting massive sums of money for helping Putin, directly or indirectly. Is that not the case as you see it?

03-22-2017 , 12:28 PM

#20340

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/stat...63508465487872

Pretty good thread here by Eric Garland. He's basically implicating Devin Nunes

These people all live in one building?

Guys, it's time for some germ theory.

03-22-2017 , 12:28 PM

#20341

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Not sure why some of you are thinking the newest Manafort stuff is a game changer. It's just more confirmation of things we've known for months, and it won't move the needle at all for the House to impeach. Hell, they're getting close to passing a health care bill that everybody in the GOP hates just to suck up to Trump.

03-22-2017 , 12:29 PM

#20342

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

I think the Manafort stuff is a little overblown right now, it's the "smoking gun" the same way Flynn's contacts were.

I disagree respectfully. I would wager manafort is under investigation by the fbi as we speak. What is now coming out appears to be proof acquired by AP which shows he is a Russian puppet.

That fact along with the fact that he was campaign manager of the winning campaign for 5 months. A campaign that has super obvious ties to Russia. None of this is coincidental imo. Manafort also has been rumored to have stayed with the campaign post his "resignation" as a part of the transition team. Trump himself has been rumored to have been speaking to him and acquiring advice up to December.

03-22-2017 , 12:30 PM

#20343

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How can they nominate a SCOTUS appointed by a President* under FBI investigation for possible treason? The confirmation hearings obviously must be delayed until the investigation is complete.

03-22-2017 , 12:32 PM

#20344

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I actually did not know that Devin Nunes was part of Trump's transition team until today.

Not sure how the hell I missed that, but obviously if that's the case then the concept of Nunes sitting as the chair of the committee investigating this is ludicrous. Even if he's completely innocent he shouldn't be within 500 feet of this investigation.

03-22-2017 , 12:32 PM

#20345

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Fbi investigation though. Also the documents allegedly proving his guilt is New and should be a game changer imo. Bigger picture to me is if this implicates trumps campaign manager it implicates trump. The dots connect to me

03-22-2017 , 12:33 PM

#20346

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https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...59570788687872

03-22-2017 , 12:34 PM

#20347

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Originally Posted by einbert

How can they nominate a SCOTUS appointed by a President* under FBI investigation for possible treason? The confirmation hearings obviously must be delayed until the investigation is complete.

Is there a reason why this is the primary Dem talking point, rather than "Merrick Garland or GTFO"?

03-22-2017 , 12:35 PM

#20348

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NMcNasty

Right, but also is rumored to have continued working with Trump in an unofficial capacity.

Correct. Obviously I'm aware he was the campaign manager, but to greater importance his staying around on the transition team could be something

03-22-2017 , 12:35 PM

#20349

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Yupp

There is just no scenario where things don't get much much worse first and it takes a long period of time for anything good to actually happen.

However it is very important to try to keep turning the public against Trump so stuff like this is still GOOD.

03-22-2017 , 12:36 PM

#20350

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Autocratic

Is there a reason why this is the primary Dem talking point, rather than "Merrick Garland or GTFO"?

Yeah it's a good talking point but it shouldn't be the main one. I guess they've resigned themselves to the fact that the Garland talk is getting them to the same place it got them pre-election ie nowhere.

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