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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-21-2017 , 10:46 PM
This is a unpleasant fact that you may have already know. I ran across this report that concluded that a US presidential candidate could mathematically win the electoral vote with as low as 23% of the popular vote. In other words the present electoral college system allows even a highly disliked candidate to be elected to be leader of the whole country even though a low minority of citizens support him/her. This isn't exactly what happened in 2016 but it is in the same vein.

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112...e-popular-vote
03-21-2017 , 10:47 PM
When you consider this, that figure isn't that far off:
Over 90 Million Eligible Voters Didn’t Vote in the 2016 Presidential Election
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/eligib...tered-results/
03-21-2017 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
Remember when the Secretary of State went to the far East with only a single, non-pool journalist? Well that journalist has now filed an interview/profile from that:

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/844366344908877824



Jesus.

I haven't even read it all yet, but that quote is such a doozy.

More, from the same passage:



Better God than Putin, I guess???
That is an excellent piece, thank you for sharing.
03-21-2017 , 10:55 PM
Yea, I don't get why these old rich dudes want to work when they are worth billions. Tillerson? Like why? Even Trump is WTF. Dude, you are 70 and you decided to go after the hardest, most stressful job on the planet? A job where a guy like Obama looked like he aged 20 years while in office? Honestly, no wonder Trump is going to FL and playing golf every weekend. I'd be doing the same thing.

Greed is a hell of a drug I guess.
03-21-2017 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Yea, believable story. A billionaire oil exec not saying "I got better **** to do with my billions" when the offer comes in to be sec of state. When I logic through this, it doesn't make sense. What does make sense however is that he became sec of state to oversee the lifting of sanctions so that he and Putin can do their 500 billion dollar oil deal. That seems to make sense.
That is very cynical. I'm optimistic about him after reading the story.
03-21-2017 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea, I don't get why these old rich dudes want to work when they are worth billions. Tillerson? Like why? Even Trump is WTF. Dude, you are 70 and you decided to go after the hardest, most stressful job on the planet? A job where a guy like Obama looked like he aged 20 years while in office? Honestly, no wonder Trump is going to FL and playing golf every weekend. I'd be doing the same thing.

Greed is a hell of a drug I guess.
How about a sense of duty? Pretty sure he doesn't need more money and was looking forward to retirement.
03-21-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea, I don't get why these old rich dudes want to work when they are worth billions. Tillerson? Like why? Even Trump is WTF. Dude, you are 70 and you decided to go after the hardest, most stressful job on the planet? A job where a guy like Obama looked like he aged 20 years while in office? Honestly, no wonder Trump is going to FL and playing golf every weekend. I'd be doing the same thing.

Greed is a hell of a drug I guess.
What was Kerry's motivation?
03-21-2017 , 11:02 PM
Tilersom should resign, then get divorced then go chill out.

To jump right on the unfortunate truth tillerson's wife probably never worked in her life but is badgering him to do it?

It's one thing if your spouse makes you realize you need to do it is another to do it just because they say you need to it.

In the scheme of problems Tillerson is a weird one. Traditionally foreign policy is probably the area the White House is most needed for when it comes to the federal government. While a lot of trump's cabinet are aggressively dangerous, tillerson is just apathetic and tired. While I would be greatful for those traits in pretty much any other administration position it is dangerous in the SoS.
03-21-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
What was Kerry's motivation?
You are the one making this partisan, not me. I said old dudes that are worth billions. That goes for all of them.
03-21-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
How about a sense of duty? Pretty sure he doesn't need more money and was looking forward to retirement.
Sense of duty? Tillerson?

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

GTFO here w/ that crap. Dude won't even bother having a press conference. But yea, he's got a sense of duty. Geez, do you just blindly support everyone in Trump's cabinet no matter how silly it makes you look?

Last edited by RV Life; 03-21-2017 at 11:13 PM.
03-21-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
That is very cynical. I'm optimistic about him after reading the story.
Yea I think that was what the story was meant to do. How are you optimistic about oligarchy, unless of course you yourself are an oligarch?
03-21-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
How about a sense of duty? Pretty sure he doesn't need more money and was looking forward to retirement.
Sense of duty or 500 billion dollar oil deal? I mean which makes more sense?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/1...sanctions.html

Let's just be honest.
03-21-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
i always thought it was suspicious that trump was ALWAYS very conciliatory about bernie voters, not even offering them anything to get their votes, but consoling them like, "wow crooked hillary really screwed you guys over, i feel bad for you". and evidently bernie was targeted by the troll army to drive unnecessary division among liberal voters with fake news reposts and deploying highly sophisticated and aggressively confrontational bots like hastendan to depress democratic turnout.

so trump has links to the fsb troll army, whether it can be proven he colluded or if he was given "bad" advice, i imagine trump will ultimately get away with it. plus what's in it for republicans in congress to stop this? lol
And if one jumped down the conspiracy hole you could wonder what information Russia has on republican congress people that they might use to surpress investigaions.

It's a cluster and the reality is anyone who is not fully on board with real and complete independent investigations has to be suspect. There is no way else we can deal with this. Regardless of the house intel members just because something is being investigated doesn't mean it's a conviction. To be fair they literally talked out of both sides of their mouths on that one. But for now let's focus on the one that has to do with the existence of any investigation is unfair and a smear.
03-21-2017 , 11:15 PM
Why do your claims not apply to Kerry? He was a 70 year old white dude that is richer than Tillerson. I don't like Kerry's politics at all, but I think he took the job because of a sense of duty. I feel the same way about Tillerson after reading that story. I don't really understand the comment about oligarchy. The guy is an engineer that rose up the ranks at Exxon, presumably because he's very talented and smart as hell. Whatever, though. He's rich, so he must be a scumbag, right?
03-21-2017 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Tilersom should resign, then get divorced then go chill out.

To jump right on the unfortunate truth tillerson's wife probably never worked in her life but is badgering him to do it?

It's one thing if your spouse makes you realize you need to do it is another to do it just because they say you need to it.

In the scheme of problems Tillerson is a weird one. Traditionally foreign policy is probably the area the White House is most needed for when it comes to the federal government. While a lot of trump's cabinet are aggressively dangerous, tillerson is just apathetic and tired. While I would be greatful for those traits in pretty much any other administration position it is dangerous in the SoS.
Its almost as if Tillerson isn't interested in diplomacy and his only reason for accepting the job is to insure that sanctions against Russia are lifted.
03-21-2017 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Sense of duty or 500 billion dollar oil deal? I mean which makes more sense?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/1...sanctions.html

Let's just be honest.
Your greed narrative makes no sense. He owns no Exxon shares.
03-21-2017 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Neil Gorsuch does not belong on the Supreme Court
by Elizabeth Warren
03-21-2017 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Why do your claims not apply to Kerry? He was a 70 year old white dude that is richer than Tillerson. I don't like Kerry's politics at all, but I think he took the job because of a sense of duty. I feel the same way about Tillerson after reading that story. I don't really understand the comment about oligarchy. The guy is an engineer that rose up the ranks at Exxon, presumably because he's very talented and smart as hell. Whatever, though. He's rich, so he must be a scumbag, right?
No, he's a scumbag because of his ties to Russia. He's also not qualified for the job. Cutting trips short because of fatigue and the NK crap shows that. Love how you making Tillerson a victim here though.
03-21-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
That is very cynical. I'm optimistic about him after reading the story.
Your reading of the situation leaves much to be desired
03-21-2017 , 11:33 PM
This Gorsuch guy is gonna say gosh golly while he makes you have a rape baby I guarantee it.
03-21-2017 , 11:36 PM
Tillerson doesn't seem like a monster, although I havent gotten to his chapters in the Exxon book Im reading. The problems with him are (1) he's another billionaire with no US government experience in an administration that has way too many of those, (2) Exxon operates like a foreign government and have actively undermined US interests in the past, e.g. in Chad.
03-21-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
This Gorsuch guy is gonna say gosh golly while he makes you have a rape baby I guarantee it.
And he'll fire you when you take the day off for the birth.
03-22-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Why do your claims not apply to Kerry? He was a 70 year old white dude that is richer than Tillerson. I don't like Kerry's politics at all, but I think he took the job because of a sense of duty. I feel the same way about Tillerson after reading that story. I don't really understand the comment about oligarchy. The guy is an engineer that rose up the ranks at Exxon, presumably because he's very talented and smart as hell. Whatever, though. He's rich, so he must be a scumbag, right?
He is the CEO of a multinational oil conglomerate. And he's our head diplomat with no foreign policy or diplomacy experience. Also he and his company stand to benefit greatly if sanctions are lifted. Also he has a friendship award from a guy that our FBI says interfered with our electoral process.
03-22-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Your greed narrative makes no sense. He owns no Exxon shares.
See this is that dumb ****.
03-22-2017 , 12:22 AM
He is also ok with large cuts in the State Department against a whole crap load of generals wishes. By them more bullets is the strategy i guess.

      
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