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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-21-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
This is so amazingly silly. It's like saying "OMG A HANDSY COMEDIAN" in refrence to Bill Cosby.
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Originally Posted by Hannah Arendt
In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true… The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
- The Origins of Totalitarianism
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/01...5c4964c2a469b1
03-21-2017 , 05:24 PM
some russian guy's who died in prison fighting putin lawyer got thrown off a fourth floor in russia.

I'm sure it was just a super windy day.
03-21-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
You just have to look at what he has achieved domestically and realise there has never been an easier time to pivot those methods to the international arena.

There is no way he could have achieved what he has done domestically if he was using Soviet Maintenance of Power Handbook written 1979.

Traktor production is up, you say no? Off to gulag!
One thought I had coming out of the hearings is that Putin's meddling might have another layer in he plans to squarely lay blame for something sinister he does domestically at the hands of American interference. I have no idea what it might be at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if there is not something substantial in this regard in the next five years.
03-21-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
some russian guy's who died in prison fighting putin lawyer got thrown off a fourth floor in russia.

I'm sure it was just a super windy day.
I'm sure it was just a heart attack (on the way down).
03-21-2017 , 05:40 PM
How is it reasonable that judges who now may easily live to 90, be appointed for life by presidents who may quickly become wildly unpopular and lose a reelection badly, or even impeached? The original rule assumed less polarized judges, less polarized voters and a much lower life expectancy.
03-21-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's starting to look like King Richard will never be returning from the crusades on this one, and the best we can hope for is Nurse Ratchet walking in on the previous night's ****-show and lobotomizing everyone.
This is the last time I waste comedy gold like this on you cretins.
03-21-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
How is it reasonable that judges who now may easily live to 90, be appointed for life by presidents who may quickly become wildly unpopular and lose a reelection badly, or even impeached? The original rule assumed less polarized judges, less polarized voters and a much lower life expectancy.
Yeah, we do a lot of stupid **** that doesn't make sense anymore
03-21-2017 , 05:46 PM
Didn't hear the whole thing but didn't Franken clearly win his point about the truck driver? Even in math there is sometimes an absurd result which forces people to realize that there was something wrong with an initial axiom or the apparently logical steps followed.
03-21-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
How is it reasonable that judges who now may easily live to 90, be appointed for life by presidents who may quickly become wildly unpopular and lose a reelection badly, or even impeached? The original rule assumed less polarized judges, less polarized voters and a much lower life expectancy.
If a man is appointed now at age 50 it's probably around 10-15% likely that they will reach 100. Seems like an insane system to me.
03-21-2017 , 05:52 PM

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/844301331259183104
03-21-2017 , 06:08 PM
Trump's schedule does not allow him to watch his fAvoritistest cable news shows live all the time. Apparently he regular records his morning stories and then watches them in the evening.

Thanks Obama
03-21-2017 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Uh, OK:










I guess I am just the cynical type but this doesn't feel new or different. You make it sound like Putin just invented lying and bull****, and packaging it together with the new technologies and entertainment. I remain skeptical. Isn't this just the tabloid style; yellow journalism and the Murdoch model? These stories sound a little old school; they sound like a well-worn playbook. Isn't the "pretend a small ethnic minority population is under attack by your opponents just across the border to justify your aggression and incursions" just the Gleiwitz incident? Isn't mixing propaganda and lies and entertainment just the modern day implementation of Leni Riefenstahl?

I dunno. RUSSIA COMPLETELY REWROTE THE BOOK by what, inventing lying? Fantastic bull****? Authoring pretend history? Mixing in technology and entertainment? Pretty sure this is not new but I suppose I don't really care, nothing in this article seems relevant here. That Putin is engaged in propaganda is not at all in question. It's efficacy is entirely in question but you don't want to talk about that. Instead we want to talk about all the new wrinkles he's added in, like different kinds of lies and fictions, and using TV. I maintain this is not new, interesting or qualitatively different form of propaganda.
I sure hope that a President being surrounded by multiple people on the Kremlin's payroll is a new development
03-21-2017 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Like we can see this from the right's numerous FAILED scandals on Clinton and Obama. They were too ****ing complicated, they didn't have obvious motives, they were just a bunch of poorly sourced facts haphazardly arranged. Tony Rezko, Whitewater, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, Pizzagate, these are all things that play great to people with HastenDan's reading list, but the general public doesn't care.


So this Trump Russia **** might be real and that is scary, but it's not politically useful until you have a quid pro quo that you can explain, and you can further explain why that's bad for me, The American Citizen.
I'm not sure how you can say all the complicated scandals slung at Clinton failed. The general public may not care about the specific details, but they generally think the truth is somewhere in between or that there's something there because everyone is talking about it, etc. Republican complicated scandals was a major factor in people not liking her.
03-21-2017 , 07:12 PM
Chiefsplanet: Wahhhhh, the left is already trying to impeach Trump! Liberals are being mean to Gorsuch and Ivanka! SNL is cruel! CNN says means things!!!

libtards: Well maybe because they see Trump as an existential threat to our Democracy?

CP: Lol get over it and quit whining.
03-21-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
a lying politician!! A rare breed, I'm sure.
I thought the allure of Trump was he's not a politician and "tells the truth" whether or not people want to hear it. I mean, that was the Trumpkin argument for the past 18 months.

That said, there's a big difference between Trump lying and politicians lying. A politician will lie to get what they want. Just listen to the garbage Ryan is saying about the healthcare bill he's trying to pass. That's a politician lying.

Trump lies...because? He's lying about stuff that not even relevant. He lied about the size of in inauguration crowd for crissakes. He's the boy that cried wolf when it comes to lies. Half the country doesn't believe a word out of his mouth and he has not given a reason why they should.

Of course that doesn't stop the right from saying things like "Stop taking him so literally!" No. He's the goddamn President. He needs to act like it and not like a 5 year old having a temper tantrum because the media said mean things about his approval ratings.
03-21-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Chiefsplanet: Wahhhhh, the left is already trying to impeach Trump! Liberals are being mean to Gorsuch and Ivanka! SNL is cruel! CNN says means things!!!

libtards: Well maybe because they see Trump as an existential threat to our Democracy?

CP: Lol get over it and quit whining.
Every time I hear that last line I immediately say that to them about the confederacy. I do not win friends and influence others.
03-21-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
How is it reasonable that judges who now may easily live to 90, be appointed for life by presidents who may quickly become wildly unpopular and lose a reelection badly, or even impeached? The original rule assumed less polarized judges, less polarized voters and a much lower life expectancy.
It is completely ridiculous, but Kagan is about to be 57 and Sotomayor 63, so that's 20, 25 years of two seats' worth of liberal protection.
03-21-2017 , 07:49 PM
It really should be something long and odd like 17 years or what have you
03-21-2017 , 07:51 PM
I can't be the only one who finds Supreme Court hearings boring. We all know Justice Grouch is a big business Republican anti abortion politician and we know he won't affirmatively answer any of the big political questions so it becomes like asking Paul Ryan at the beginning of this new term if he will cap Medicare and him winking that he can't answer it.
03-21-2017 , 07:56 PM
This battle is being fought in a very short-sighted fashion.

Even if Trump is somehow removed from office as a result of this, his election and actions while in power have done potentially irreparable damage to our democracy. Even if Trump is dumped, right-wing populism has a large enough audience to play a critical role in American politics for the foreseeable future. I fully expect a smarter, more politically savvy version of Donald Trump to come around and exploit the same masses again, this time by taking Trump's plans and dressing them up in a way palatable enough to get even intelligent people who were opposed to Trump to come along for the ride. A Marine Le Pen type would do quite well in future elections. Might even win the popular vote.

As long as this seen as a battle against Trump and not a battle to destroy the entire ideology of right-wing populism, our government will collapse and inevitably an autocrat will gain control.
03-21-2017 , 08:00 PM
If trump gets impeached the gop would get murdered in 2018 and 2020.
03-21-2017 , 08:02 PM
He is just babbling again now live lol.
03-21-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/844301331259183104
one of the few dems with balls, ironically
03-21-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
If trump gets impeached the gop would get murdered in 2018 and 2020.
It's a possibility if anti-Trump turnout is high.

Another possibility is that any GOP candidate who isn't behind Trump gets primaried and the Trump supporters vote for that Trump slappy. GOPers who hate Trump will do exactly what they did in 2016: either vote GOP or not vote.
03-21-2017 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
a lying politician!! A rare breed, I'm sure.

False Equivalencies; how do they work?

      
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