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03-18-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky View Post
Not what you said originally. Two of your cohorts have already disavowed your words. And the rest of your words are delusional. Among politicians I would think the best president would be Bloomberg. Followed by a healthy Bill Clinton. But I haven't studied the issues enough be sure.
Here is my challenge for you David. Study the issues more. I want you to take a logical hacksaw to your negative income tax idea, for example.

The thing is that we have to push solutions that are feasible in the short term, while pushing towards things that are more ideal in the long term--and just going in that direction somehow in the short term. Instead of pushing for negative income tax, spending your political capital trying to fight AHCA instead would be much more helpful in the short-term. The Affordable Care Act was, in many ways, one of the most significant pieces of civil rights legislation in recent history. It secured important benefits for people like the right to get health insurance even if they had a pre-existing condition, the right to know that they are safely covered under the ten mandatory guidelines for all health insurance programs in the Affordable Care Act (for example mental health care). They know that if they somehow lose their main job, they can get health insurance at a reasonable price through the health insurance exchanges in each state or even be covered under Medicaid if things get tough enough. Trump wants to roll all of that back. He wants to make it much more difficult for working and middle class families to even GET health insurance, let alone quality health insurance that they know their family will be taken care of after they've paid in hundreds of dollars a month for years.

Marginal cost versus marginal benefit is at the core of all of these questions just like in poker. And the political uphill battle to get something wonky like negative income tax means it's not worth it right now, when we should be fighting this very winnable battle of saving the Affordable Care Act.

So in other words, this ISN'T a thought experiment. This is real life. We have to be practical about these things. But I really would like for you to put more effort in and get more engaged. I would like to see some of your more sharpened political opinions after that happens.
03-18-2017 , 05:21 PM


Gaunt, Hollow-Eyed Big Bird Enters Sixth Day Of Hunger Strike Against Proposed Trump Budget
03-18-2017 , 05:21 PM
Bill Clinton's welfare reform bill from 1996 had one important feature in common with AHCA--block grants going to states. Only this time instead of for basic welfare programs it's for Medicaid. Let me tell you folks, if they make that change, Medicaid is going to end up completely unfunded. The way they make this block grants means the numbers just simply don't add up--states WILL NOT have enough funds to maintain current services, or even close. After a few years they will be stretched ridiculously thin and people who really need it are going to suffer, massively.

https://www.thenation.com/article/cl...how-it-failed/
03-18-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
As a supposed intellectual, your support for him makes you deplorable like the rest of them. It also erases any good will and legacy you built in poker. You should be ashamed with yourself.

I stand by my position. He is going to e responsible for death of thousands. His death would be justice.
I just had to quote this before the user gets banned.

Welcome to the tolerant forum, David Sklansky, where only one opinion is allowed and everything else is shunned.

Decades of brainwashing has culminated to this. Today the real fascists call themselves antifascists.
03-18-2017 , 05:48 PM
lol
03-18-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
I just had to quote this before the user gets banned.

Welcome to the tolerant forum, David Sklansky, where only one opinion is allowed and everything else is shunned.

Decades of brainwashing has culminated to this. Today the real fascists call themselves antifascists.
So the real Nazis aren't the Nazis, they're the people who call the Nazis "Nazis" is what you're saying? Gotcha.
03-18-2017 , 05:54 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's a tongue in cheek post.
03-18-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
I just had to quote this before the user gets banned.

Welcome to the tolerant forum, David Sklansky, where only one opinion is allowed and everything else is shunned.

Decades of brainwashing has culminated to this. Today the real fascists call themselves antifascists.
What citation do you have for "decades of brainwashing?"

Would it be that your average fox news viewer is less informed? That people with college degrees vote Republican less? That alt right propaganda and conspiracy theories sell and make ridiculous money?

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Originally Posted by DTD
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's a tongue in cheek post.
100% no. I can't remember if kyp is a sandy hook truther like no quarter, but their posting is like 95% the same. Kyp basically believes everything on infowars as gospel.
03-18-2017 , 05:56 PM
Is there a real chance this 4 years basically snuffs out the Republicans for like 16 years after it? Wonder if the damage done to their party could be so deep that the Dem's just have to run a sane clean campaign and they could take house/senate for many many terms. Granted the supreme court damage will be done.
03-18-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
So the real Nazis aren't the Nazis, they're the people who call the Nazis "Nazis" is what you're saying? Gotcha.
Just calling someone a nazi doesn't make them a nazi. That's a nasty ad hominem that tries to get over a debate. Only nasty people do that.

People who are calling for death of their political opponents, silencing public debate, blocking roads, harrassing people for their opinions and also getting people fired for their opions are the real bad guys.

These same guys have an obsession to call anyone who disagrees with them a nazi, so they have the excuse to use violence against them.

03-18-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
people just want the FREEDOM to opt out of paying for it while they're healthy, and to opt in at a nice low price when they're sick.
Lots of people (most?) don't understand basics of insurance and many other basic finance related items of every day life (hello mortgage crisis).

My work plan is so obviously slanted economically to favor the high deductible with HSA plan vs the HMO/PPO style plan. Employee contribution for the HSA plan is $0 and almost $6000 for the HMO. Just put $6000 in the HSA account (which is also the annual cap) and voila-you can't lose. If you spend the whole $6,000 you break even. But no, folks love their $20 co-pays (on top of $500/month out of their check).

If the healthy people aren't in, then the insurance doesnt work.

But then I saw folks buy $20 insurance plans on $60 items at best buy.
03-18-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Is there a real chance this 4 years basically snuffs out the Republicans for like 16 years after it? Wonder if the damage done to their party could be so deep that the Dem's just have to run a sane clean campaign and they could take house/senate for many many terms. Granted the supreme court damage will be done.
No, Americans are too dumb and their memories are too short, basically. You saw it with GWB. Nearly nobody defends GWB, despite his overlap with trump voters being near 100%. You'd think with Iraq, Katrina and a collapse of the world financial system, that would scare people off the GOP for more than 8 years when what came after was zero scandals, a great economy etc. Nope!
03-18-2017 , 06:01 PM
Harassing people for their opinions, aka disagreeing with someone, is a constitutionally protected right.
03-18-2017 , 06:06 PM
Kyp, you've been around since 2006. You seem to think the left calls everyone they don't like a nazi. You've made that point over and over, with dozens of posts alleging this. Was this a thing during the tenure of GWB, or has something changed which have instilled these comparisons and labels?
03-18-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
I just had to quote this before the user gets banned.

Welcome to the tolerant forum, David Sklansky, where only one opinion is allowed and everything else is shunned.

Decades of brainwashing has culminated to this. Today the real fascists call themselves antifascists.
You're 20% less annoying with your new avatar. You should switch it back.
03-18-2017 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
What citation do you have for "decades of brainwashing?"

Would it be that your average fox news viewer is less informed? That people with college degrees vote Republican less? That alt right propaganda and conspiracy theories sell and make ridiculous money?
It's no secret that the left took over the education long ago and that the only kind of diversity they don't like is intellectual.

If you are really interested in this subject, there's plenty of authors to pick from, and David Horowitz has talked a lot about this. He used to be a marxist until he also realized that unicorns don't piss gold.

His last Rubin Report was a good one.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ney-left-right

Last edited by kypreanus; 03-18-2017 at 06:17 PM.
03-18-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
Just calling someone a nazi doesn't make them a nazi. That's a nasty ad hominem that tries to get over a debate. Only nasty people do that.

People who are calling for death of their political opponents, silencing public debate, blocking roads, harrassing people for their opinions and also getting people fired for their opions are the real bad guys.

These same guys have an obsession to call anyone who disagrees with them a nazi, so they have the excuse to use violence against them.

trump is very much like hitler.

i despise you and your fact-free ****posting, but you're not hitler.

try again scout
03-18-2017 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Harassing people for their opinions, aka disagreeing with someone, is a constitutionally protected right.
Disagreeing with someone is.

Harassing people isn't.
03-18-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
You're 20% less annoying with your new avatar. You should switch it back.
Since Trump was just called God Emperor on prime time TV, and my old avatar was kind of lame, I think this is more appropriate.
03-18-2017 , 06:14 PM
Nazis believed that killing off the old, the sick, the weak, the poor, and minorities would make society and humanity and Germany stronger in the long run. They also believed it would save money and be a more efficient system.

Republicans believe that killing off the old, the sick, the weak, the poor, and minorities will make society and humanity and America stronger in the long run. They also believe it would save money and be a more efficient system.
03-18-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
It's no secret that the left took over the education long ago and that the only kind of diversity they don't like is intellectual.

If you are really interested in this subject, there's plenty of authors to pick from, and David Horowitz has talked a lot about this. He used to be a marxist until he also realized that unicorns don't piss gold.

His last Rubin Report was a godo one.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ney-left-right
Have you ever attended a college/university?

The left "took over education" because in the United States, the GOP has been a party of anti-intellectuals. They are openly against science and the arts. They do not believe in funding for either. They believe in corporate profits over scientific facts. Sorry that you fall on that side.

Horowitz is just a hack writing conspiracy theories about Soros before they were cool, not that you've actually read any of his books.

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03-18-2017 , 06:17 PM
Nazi propaganda: "You are bearing this too," informing the 'German worker' that a hereditarily ill person costs 50,000 RMs to maintain until he or she has reached the age of 60. (from Death and Deliverance - 'Euthanasia' in Germany 1900-1945 by Michael Burleigh)

http://www.disabilityhistory.org/dd_camp2.html
03-18-2017 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Republicans believe that killing off the old, the sick, the weak, the poor, and minorities will make society and humanity and America stronger in the long run. They also believe it would save money and be a more efficient system.
Citation.
03-18-2017 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Have you ever attended a college/university?

The left "took over education" because in the United States, the GOP has been a party of anti-intellectuals. They are openly against science and the arts. They do not believe in funding for either. They believe in corporate profits over scientific facts. Sorry that you fall on that side.
If you really think so, then you should have one of your guys debate Ben Shapiro.
03-18-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This is why Neil Gorsusch CANNOT be confirmed to the SCOTUS--and it has nothing to do with Merrick Garland!


https://twitter.com/dwaynecobb/statu...51354604544002
This is horse****. The article says nothing about Gorsuch's actual opinions about anything and you are suggesting it's content is the reason why he CANNOT be confirmed? Do better if that is your argument.

      
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