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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-16-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This is the budget of a frat bro hollering "USA! USA! USA!"
How do you solve the net zero immigration problem? Cut meals on wheels dumb libtard duh. Walls don't build themselves.
03-16-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
My point is that his 1040 filings are not going to be revealing too much. Corporate finance is much more complicated in my view. But yes an accounting of corporate finances is far more revealing regarding TRUMP. I have read that he will be dogged by conflict of interest claims throughout his tenure. That is probably true. GL trying to get hold of those IRS filings FWIW. This is not an ad hominem attack, I think you would benefit by gaining a better understanding of finance.
In life, the bolded is certainly right, but in the context of this argument, it's irrelevant.
03-16-2017 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
adios is so upset that people on the left are using the words "tax returns" when these may not contain relevant information, yet does not give a **** that the President is deliberately hiding his entire financial history.

Like a man who lies constantly and repeatedly with a shady and likely criminal past is leading our country, as adios well knows, but just why the left wants to see the tax returns he's deliberately hiding, well that's just a total mystery to him. Why can't they just let go of this vendetta?
It's almost like their primary problem with Hillary wasn't anything to do with integrity or handling of classified information, but something entirely different. If integrity mattered to these people, they would have been calling for Sessions to resign weeks ago.
03-16-2017 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
It's pretty nuanced and complex, but in general CAFE standards cause gas guzzling SUVs to be increased in price in order to subsidize fuel efficient cars and thus raise the average fuel economy. Since the US is the main market for gas guzzling SUVs and building them well is one of the main advantages of American automakers, they are more likely to be made in the US compared with more fuel efficient cars. So CAFE can have the effect of subsidizing imports and penalizing local production.
Thanks. I could see that being a very long term effect, but it's hard to imagine any significant impacts in the next 5-10 years. Seems like you would need to
1. Project significant demand increases beyond what your current industrial capacity can handle;
2. Project that regulations won't be changed back to a more exacting standard; and
3. Have the capital available to build a new plant.

It seems like that would all conspire to leave US production levels pretty much where they ate now.

Sorry if that was garbled and/or objectively dumb. I know next to nothing about manufacturing, automobile or otherwise.
03-16-2017 , 09:47 AM


RIP McD's social media intern
03-16-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It's almost like their primary problem with Hillary wasn't anything to do with integrity or handling of classified information, but something entirely different. If integrity mattered to these people, they would have been calling for Sessions to resign weeks ago.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b033be1467d150
03-16-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Sexism is a huge part of it, but it's deeper than that too. The Republican party and most of its voting base view ethics as a political tool, not a real thing that actually matters in government. They have been using Congressional investigations as a thinly veiled political tool for years, and now they are directly endangering our national security by refusing to hold real investigations into the Trump-Russia connection. They really have a Machiavellian view of their own goals in politics, and they don't see democracy as an important limiting factor. If they can get around the popular will of the people by gerrymandering (election theft), the Electoral College, disenfranchisement through voter suppression, strict voter ID laws, and even mass imprisonment of the opposition, that's just as good as having actually popular ideas. In fact it's even better for them because it lets them implement their ideologically pure bull**** whether it's popular or not (it's not.)
03-16-2017 , 09:58 AM
This kind of subversion of ethics and the norms of democracy in general in favor of political goals is a mainstay feature of authoritarianism and fascism. The Republican party is truly becoming deeply fascist in a way that is very damaging to our longterm health as a democracy.
03-16-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
That would almost certainly be a corporate transaction, one that is reflected in the taxes that are filed by the corporation and not reflected in his 1040 filing. See where this is going?
There's ~0% chance Trump owns all his real estate deals through a C corp. Why on earth would he do that?
03-16-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This kind of subversion of ethics and the norms of democracy in general in favor of political goals is a mainstay feature of authoritarianism and fascism. The Republican party is truly becoming deeply fascist in a way that is very damaging to our longterm health as a democracy.
You think with modern media/tv and social media that they've got a chance to pull it off? I think the kind of controls they'll need to have any sort of lasting impact are things they won't be able to get away with. Particularly thanks to the 1st two amendments.
03-16-2017 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
You think with modern media/tv and social media that they've got a chance to pull it off? I think the kind of controls they'll need to have any sort of lasting impact are things they won't be able to get away with. Particularly thanks to the 1st two amendments.
I don't know if they will. I do think it's possible.

I think now is a good time to revisit Steve Bannon's views as a self-described Leninist, in light of this new proposed budget:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-leninist.html
03-16-2017 , 11:04 AM
I wanna go on record. I believe the IC has transcripts of TRUMP talking to Russians directly.
03-16-2017 , 11:06 AM
Who really needs science anyway?

re: budget.
03-16-2017 , 11:07 AM
this is truly hitler-esque

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...g-bill-n733416

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Despite the country's focus on the American Health Care Act, a smaller bill is also working its way through Congress — one that could overturn years of legislative protections for patients.

This bill would potentially pressure patients to submit to genetic testing as part of worker wellness programs, with the goal of better assessing someone's health risk profile. If a person doesn't agree to the tests — employers or health insurance companies could jack up their health insurance costs.
03-16-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Sebastian Gorka, the controversial Hungarian-American Trump administration counterterrorism adviser with a resume that’s light on experience, is “a formal member of a Hungarian far-right group” that collaborated with the Nazis in World War II, the group’s leadership has told the New York-based Forward newspaper. If true, the allegations could put Gorka — a staunch defender of the White House’s hardline on immigration — in hot water regarding his own immigration status.

Leaders of the Vitézi Rend or “Order of the Valiant,” a group whose members were eligible to receive land taken from deported Hungarian Jews during World War II, told the Forward that Gorka “took a lifelong oath of loyalty to their group” in a report released March 16. The Vitézi Rend was banned after the war, but was reconstituted as a veterans’ group with right-wing leanings with the assistance of Hungary’s wartime leader Miklos Horthy, who allied himself with Nazi Germany from the mid 1930s until 1944.
http://taskandpurpose.com/trump-advi...rators-report/
03-16-2017 , 11:24 AM
just saw a pretty sweet post on facebook-

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Originally Posted by Random Dude in an Indivisible group
Trump supporters threaten to #BoycottHawaii, as if it's not already a paradise.
03-16-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
Thanks. I could see that being a very long term effect, but it's hard to imagine any significant impacts in the next 5-10 years. Seems like you would need to
1. Project significant demand increases beyond what your current industrial capacity can handle;
2. Project that regulations won't be changed back to a more exacting standard; and
3. Have the capital available to build a new plant.

It seems like that would all conspire to leave US production levels pretty much where they ate now.

Sorry if that was garbled and/or objectively dumb. I know next to nothing about manufacturing, automobile or otherwise.
The thing is that car factories can be retooled a lot more easily than in the past, and you can increase capacity a lot by adding second/third shifts.

In addition, cars on a global level tend to be produced as close as possible to where they're consumed. The big market for SUVs and pickup trucks is the US, which is why many of our vehicle exports are of these product types (VW, Mercedes, BMW, etc). Smaller cars are consumed in large numbers everywhere, which means they tend to be imported. So we'll see on the margin a boost of production/jobs in SUV production in all likelihood, and a decrease in imports of smaller cars which often are sold at or near a loss in the US to improve CAFE performance. The SUVs will lower in price, and the smaller cars will increase in price.

Regarding industrial capacity, the auto industry is awash with excess capacity right now and more is coming online, so the question is one of which factories will be adding shifts and which will be eliminating them.

On balance I see CAFE standards as having a negative impact on American production.
03-16-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
"In the early days, when we had the power, we didn't resist. We thought our institutions and norms would save us. Now that we realize what's really happening, it's too late to do anything. We don't have the power any more."
-Russian citizens on the rise and current iron grip of Vladimir Putin on their country
Except authoritarian rule is a norm in Russia, norms of democracy had not even really got started yet, + their institutions were either embryonic or in the toilet anyway.
03-16-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
this is truly hitler-esque

"This bill would potentially pressure patients to submit to genetic testing as part of worker wellness programs, with the goal of better assessing someone's health risk profile."
It's shockingly Hitler-esque, the next step is handing out fun badges that identify what health risks you have.
03-16-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Who really needs science anyway?

re: budget.

not ******s who live in red states and believe in Jesus


edit: not a shot at you, its a shot a ******s that live in red states that voted for Trump
03-16-2017 , 11:52 AM
mike pence thinks science is a scam by the godless on the godly, to tempt them away from scripture
03-16-2017 , 11:54 AM
When politicians release tax returns, is it generally just the 1040 or additional schedules as well? Seems like Sch Cs and Es etc could be interesting.
03-16-2017 , 11:55 AM
Huge cuts to NIH, an agency that Republicans usually like to fund the heck out of.
03-16-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


RIP McD's social media intern
and immediately trumptards go full boycott. I wish @Oxygen would tweet a Trump insult.
03-16-2017 , 12:01 PM
States should pass laws denying ballot access to POTUS candidates who refuse to release their tax returns.

      
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