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03-16-2017 , 02:59 AM

#18776

wheatrich

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In **** I can't make up and isn't the onion everyone's favorite house rep king recommended the camp of the saints on radio in iowa on monday.

Yes, the same one as bannon. WAAF.

03-16-2017 , 03:00 AM

#18777

simplicitus

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And Christie prosecuted Kushner's dad, who went to prison. Hence Christie was kicked off lead of Trump transition and there are now 500 vacant offices and no Trump people with experience or more than a GED to fill them.

03-16-2017 , 03:40 AM

#18778

Bigoldnit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

This map does not match the NY Times County map, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it's bull****.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Schuyler seems to be positing a theory that proximity to the 9/11 attacks determines the value of your point of view on American politics. So... I guess we should really have listened to NYC and DC and awarded Hillary Clinton a landslide victory.

He also has some piping hot takes about the demographics of Trump voters vs Clinton supporters.

https://twitter.com/FiveRights/statu...69363016912897

03-16-2017 , 06:28 AM

#18779

superleeds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

I'm with you on points 1 and 2 - I just don't understand how his returns could ever prove either of them. The financial dealings of high-level personnel in the Trump administration, Trump advisors, and Trump's associates are not going to be exposed through Trump's tax returns.

On points 3 and 4 - Trump could just be holding his returns back precisely because there is nothing to see. He'll wait a few months for the speculation to run rife, then release his completely innocuous tax returns, and tweet "HAHH FAKE MEDIA! Trying to "incriminate" me for no reason AGAIN!"

If he were taking bribes from Russia, the money received wouldn't be in his name, it'd be offshore, he wouldn't be disclosing it to the IRS, and he wouldn't even be attempting to even take control of it until after his presidency. What connections do people think they are going to see?

If I had to put money on anything to do with Trumps taxes Then it would be he generally pays little tax and nothing to charity. Neither of which, at this point, would seem to be much of a negative for Trumpkins.

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03-16-2017 , 06:42 AM

#18780

raradevils

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

CC was kicked because he was trying to bring all his own people along and operate as if he was the lead man.

03-16-2017 , 06:52 AM

#18781

yeSpiff

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Leader of the Free World to meet trump this week..

03-16-2017 , 07:17 AM

#18782

yeSpiff

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Well, I've been reading about things, I've been reading other things.
I said, wait a minute, there is lots of things being talked about.
I've been seeing lots of things. Now, I'm not going to discuss it, but it's
potentially very serious.

03-16-2017 , 07:31 AM

#18783

SuperUberBob

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This whole tax thing will do nothing to divert supporters. All they would do is say, "Oh that just shows that he's smart! He knows how to game the system. I always try to pay less in taxes like him!"

A good lot of his supporters want to be him because he cheats on his taxes and gets away with it. They eat that **** for breakfast every morning.

03-16-2017 , 07:47 AM

#18784

5ive

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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

He also has some piping hot takes about the demographics of Trump voters vs Clinton supporters.

https://twitter.com/FiveRights/statu...69363016912897

03-16-2017 , 08:03 AM

#18785

TheNewT50

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Originally Posted by lycosid

How so? Won't they just build less efficient cars overseas now?

It's pretty nuanced and complex, but in general CAFE standards cause gas guzzling SUVs to be increased in price in order to subsidize fuel efficient cars and thus raise the average fuel economy. Since the US is the main market for gas guzzling SUVs and building them well is one of the main advantages of American automakers, they are more likely to be made in the US compared with more fuel efficient cars. So CAFE can have the effect of subsidizing imports and penalizing local production.

03-16-2017 , 08:05 AM

#18786

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Trump's base is the army of generally well-off, suburban, retired, easily-manipulated FNC-addicted olds who will never vote Democrat for the rest of their lives.

This is correct, and describes many of my loved ones.

03-16-2017 , 08:35 AM

#18787

pvn

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Do they like fruits and vegetables? Because about 90% of those come from the CA central valley.

What makes you think that the red part of the state would just go along with whatever the blue part of the state wants? If you're going to have a discussion about secession, pretending like the current lines that are drawn around one political entity are flexible while the lines drawn at some other level of political entity are unambiguously permanent and cannot be questioned is pretty dumb.

03-16-2017 , 08:37 AM

#18788

einbert

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...45662402437121

03-16-2017 , 08:38 AM

#18789

rafiki

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Man that budget. This guy is basically like a much worse Reagan. That about right?

03-16-2017 , 08:38 AM

#18790

einbert

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"In the early days, when we had the power, we didn't resist. We thought our institutions and norms would save us. Now that we realize what's really happening, it's too late to do anything. We don't have the power any more."
-Russian citizens on the rise and current iron grip of Vladimir Putin on their country

03-16-2017 , 08:40 AM

#18791

Minirra

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Not the issue. I'd have zero problem if the worst thing in Trump's returns turned out to be him taking max advantage of tax code. And I wouldn't consider it cheating either, unless you're talking actual fraud. I just take for granted that he pays accountants to minimize his tax burden as aggressively as he can get away with. At most that's a conversation about problems with tax structure.

The issue is the opacity surrounding his business transactions, especially as they relate to possible conflicts of interest that exist right now. A typical casino employee gets more financial vetting than he's had.

03-16-2017 , 08:45 AM

#18792

Minirra

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More general view of Trump discretionary budget changes

Bottom line: 86% of all cuts funneled into Defense, with DHS and VA getting a little boost, and 1.2B savings.

This will be **** on by Congress ofc, but it's definitely an interesting look at Bannon's priorities

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03-16-2017 , 08:53 AM

#18793

einbert

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Originally Posted by rafiki

Man that budget. This guy is basically like a much worse Reagan. That about right?

I'm not a Reagan expert but I feel like even Reagan would tell 45* "hey, whoa, slow the hell down, sometimes government can be useful."

03-16-2017 , 09:01 AM

#18794

adios

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

It's been reported that Trump did a conservation easement transaction in 2005, which is very likely ultrashady and could easily have been fraudulent. IIRC the gist of the transaction is that Trump promised not to develop houses on some of his golf course properties and in return took a deduction for like $30 million.

That would almost certainly be a corporate transaction, one that is reflected in the taxes that are filed by the corporation and not reflected in his 1040 filing. See where this is going?

03-16-2017 , 09:06 AM

#18795

AllTheCheese

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This is the budget of a frat bro hollering "USA! USA! USA!"

03-16-2017 , 09:07 AM

#18796

AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by adios

That would almost certainly be a corporate transaction, one that is reflected in the taxes that are filed by the corporation and not reflected in his 1040 filing. See where this is going?

Is it going to ldo he should come clean with ALL of his finances?

03-16-2017 , 09:16 AM

#18797

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

The one (partial) tax return he did release shows him playing his full set of taxes like a putz, not some super elite tax looper magician.

03-16-2017 , 09:18 AM

#18798

AllTheCheese

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adios is so upset that people on the left are using the words "tax returns" when these may not contain relevant information, yet does not give a **** that the President is deliberately hiding his entire financial history.

Like a man who lies constantly and repeatedly with a shady and likely criminal past is leading our country, as adios well knows, but just why the left wants to see the tax returns he's deliberately hiding, well that's just a total mystery to him. Why can't they just let go of this vendetta?

03-16-2017 , 09:19 AM

#18799

+rep_lol

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

Hawaii could never understand the tragic consequences of a surprise attack on US soil.

wp, elite

03-16-2017 , 09:26 AM

#18800

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Is it going to ldo he should come clean with ALL of his finances?

My point is that his 1040 filings are not going to be revealing too much. Corporate finance is much more complicated in my view. But yes an accounting of corporate finances is far more revealing regarding TRUMP. I have read that he will be dogged by conflict of interest claims throughout his tenure. That is probably true. GL trying to get hold of those IRS filings FWIW. This is not an ad hominem attack, I think you would benefit by gaining a better understanding of finance.

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