Trump's personality is a master of getting people to hate others. He's a complete moron in a lot of aspects. Dunno whether it's fortunate or unfortunate yet he's incredibly impatient. He thinks about scheming a lot so some of this is due to that, hence people getting confused since he also likes to improvise and do random stupid ****.

They will back down but you gotta force them to. Also they will not rise up when needed. They will come at anyone who ever said one sentence bad about them like a pack of rabid dogs, I dunno how america is gonna survive 4 years of this much less 8 or whatever, I mean they'll survive but america won't look like america that's for sure. He's gonna try to do everything he said the first time as soon as he can get away with it.

Also his personality does not joke. They're incapable of it.

Or at least that was my experience with my own life, so far it's been the exact same damn thing out of trump. Needless to say, I'm very against this.

tl;dr WAAF.

In fairness, there are plenty of signs that nationalism/populism are alive and well in other developed countries. True colors are starting to show everywhere.

Obama did "911" and Hillary flew the planes. SICK and BAD people!!

these things are not written by actual legitimate idiots. they may be stupid in a relative sense to the sort of people who normally help come up with EOs, but don't convince yourself that they are dumber than the average american or are incompetent. they are literally in the white house right now.

it is incomprehensible to me that anyone who could be involved with writing the 2nd one could have read the judicial opinions on the first and gone "oh yep this 2nd one definitely clears up all the issues"

please stop with your "gross incompetence all the time no matter what" ****.

it's sad that you think what i suggested rises to the level of 4d chess. you need to readjust your standards a bit.

If Trump's goal was to actually ban Muslims, instead of getting applause from racists, does he actually need a written, public executive order? Can't he just have Tillerson (or more likely Jared) just call up the embassies in whatever nations and tell them to stick all the visa applications in a drawer for a while. If he does it quietly like this, he doesn't get the praise he craves (which I suspect is at least half of his reason for wanting a Muslim ban of some sort. Of course there is a generous helping of true bigotry that goes with it), but it would have a similar effect.

How would that play out?

All they're going to end up doing is vetting everyone to an absurd extent and nobody will end up getting admitted. It wouldn't have come to that but the refusal of these idiots to abide by normal law and reason is going to lead to that. The Dems also don't realize the more they pull this crap the more votes they lose from the middle

among other things Trump eliminating Meals on Wheels. Food for seniors. Screw them though.

What have the Dems done?

You are doing an impressive job tonight looking totally and utterly clueless.

BMOL,

Still struggling to come up with that answer from earlier?

A familiar sequence...

Troll: But logically this can't happen because reasons. Please concede my authority on the matter.

Experts: No, you have no idea what you're talking about. Consider X, Y, and Z. Z particularly disproves your claim.

Others: Lol Troll.

Troll: Well if you carry on like this you're gonna lose more votes forever. You can tell by the seething tone and rapid pace of my posts that I genuinely believe I'm witnessing my opponents' downfall. My reaction is consistent with the belief that my rivals have lost the game.

This isn't a great point. If a doctor ****s up a routine procedure and like, forgets a sponge inside you the defense of "they did a better job than the average American would" isn't very solid.

It's the Dems fault that there's a ban

Nice

Bmol, literally every trump policy is unpopular with "the middle." I'd love for you to cite otherwise!

Laurence O'Donnell making a good point... imagine if Obama had publicly accused GWB of tapping his phones, with zero evidence to support it... impeachment proceedings would already be underway.

Trump has somehow managed to act so erratically and irrationally, that he can seemingly get away with anything. It's all explained away as just "Trump being Trump".

He needs to be impeached. Clearly unfit for the office.

Nunes and Schiff Looked like someone shot their dogs today after being briefed on Russia stuff. I'm going to dip into my strategic popcorn reserves for this testimony next week.

I mean, I've heard that before, and it all amounted to nothing

right, but the guy is coming up with a false dichotomy of "machiavelli" vs "gross incompetence"

That's usually the way it is. I've worked with people who are total characters and in general they can get away with saying things someone who is usually quieter and more level headed cannot get away with it because if they say it people take them seriously

AFAIK this is already semi happening. There are reports of Muslims are getting rejected for visas for seemingly little to no reason or they are being refused entry into the US if they have a visa.

The IC has not gone public on Trump/Russia yet so not sure what your talking about.

Wasn't Comey supposed to say something today? People itt suggested as much yesterday.

So is Trump going to see them in court or is he going to ***** out again?