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03-15-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I tried to help you out, bro. This just isn't true.
You are very loosely interpreting things. That won't happen with Supreme Court judges in a million years
03-15-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
On points 3 and 4 - Trump could just be holding his returns back precisely because there is nothing to see. He'll wait a few months for the speculation to run rife, then release his completely innocuous tax returns, and tweet "HAHH FAKE MEDIA! Trying to "incriminate" me for no reason AGAIN!"
This is possible, but looking at everything I think it's a stretch that he'd be able to slowplay it this long. As opposed to say, a week or two before the election? I think a history of decent straightforward tax returns would have been a great card to play there. I think he figured he'd lose and never intended to show them.

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If he were taking bribes from Russia, the money received wouldn't be in his name, it'd be offshore, he wouldn't be disclosing it to the IRS, and he wouldn't even be attempting to even take control of it until after his presidency. What connections do people think they are going to see?
Not necessarily "bribes" in the direct sense. Even just getting loans or showing business dealings there would be very significant. For example, if he were shown to have $250m in debt to Alfa bank or particular Russian groups with close Kremlin relationships--and that's the norm in Russia--you would have clear conflicts of interest that speak to his capacity to represent US interests honestly. And where his money goes is just as important, too.

Even then, that's not to say that blatant corruption couldn't be found that might fall outside the scope of an IRS audit. Who knows what journalists might find were they able to access the mountain of financials in his returns, and that's kind of the point. For the first time in (most of) our lifetimes we have a sitting president who has chosen to obscure the details of his financial empire, and I'm just not persuaded by the idea that there are legitimate reasons left for doing that.

Last edited by Minirra; 03-15-2017 at 07:51 PM. Reason: Legitimate reasons *outside of personal business interests
03-15-2017 , 07:45 PM
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How can he read Trump's mind? He knows for sure this is a Muslim ban because he went off the rails a few times during the campaign trail. And as I said and even numerous lawyers have said on any major news network. Judges are only allowed to be reviewing what is in the order and if it's legal, not why it was written
03-15-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
You are very loosely interpreting things. That won't happen with Supreme Court judges in a million years
False: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny

And False: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vill...velopment_Corp.
03-15-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Now that I'm reading the decision my mind is changing.
Ok, this judge is awesome:

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The Government appropriately cautions that, in determining purpose, courts should not look into the “veiled psyche” and “secret motives” of government decisionmakers and may not undertake a “judicial psychoanalysis of a drafter’s heart of hearts.” Govt. Opp’n at 40 (citing McCreary, 545 U.S. at 862). The Government need not fear. The remarkable facts at issue here require no such impermissible inquiry. For instance, there is nothing “veiled” about this press release: “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.[]” SAC ¶ 38, Ex. 6 (Press Release, Donald J. Trump for President, Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration (Dec. 7, 2015), available at https://goo.gl/D3OdJJ)). Nor is there anything “secret” about the Executive’s motive specific to the issuance of the Executive Order:

Rudolph Giuliani explained on television how the Executive Order came to be. He said: “When [Mr. Trump] first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban.’ He called me up. He said, ‘Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.’”
03-15-2017 , 07:51 PM
Headshot
03-15-2017 , 07:52 PM
im back with popcorn for the meltdown
03-15-2017 , 07:55 PM
Omg that judge. We need to start a go fund me to by him a superhero cape.
03-15-2017 , 07:57 PM
once again Giuliani, what a bro.

03-15-2017 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
How can he read Trump's mind? He knows for sure this is a Muslim ban because he went off the rails a few times during the campaign trail. And as I said and even numerous lawyers have said on any major news network. Judges are only allowed to be reviewing what is in the order and if it's legal, not why it was written
Hi, are you a lawyer? I am, and your statement is wrong. Also, the decision by the judge addresses the very issue you just raised (and I quoted it above), how can he read Trump's mind? Luckily, he doesn't have to because Trump and his surrogate (Giuliani) told the whole world exactly what his intent was, because Trump is an idiot.
03-15-2017 , 08:01 PM
summarize the stuff not posted here yet today we've got
Sessions claimed marijuana "only slightly less awful" than heroin.
Mattis claiming things already starting to go wacky from climate change.
EPA dgaf.
a report out there Flynn was being investigated by the FBI in december.
Ryan stating the bill was written with Trump.
03-15-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Ok, this judge is awesome:
I am in love with this judge.
03-15-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
summarize the stuff not posted here yet today we've got
Sessions claimed marijuana "only slightly less awful" than heroin.
Mattis claiming things already starting to go wacky from climate change.
EPA dgaf.
a report out there Flynn was being investigated by the FBI in december.
Only 34,000 opioid overdose deaths in the USA last year. The number on marijuana? Well, it's obvious.

Bmol knows less about the law than Lionel hutz.
03-15-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Sessions claimed marijuana "only slightly less awful" than heroin.
The other ones probably should've been discussed, but ol' Jeffy Beau has been saying **** like this forever.
03-15-2017 , 08:09 PM
Um hello libtards, but I am ALSO a lawyer, and BMOL is 100% correct that judges are not allowed to try to get inside someone's mind to guess their intent. This is why, for example -- and you may have been wondering about this -- no one has ever been convicted of murder.
03-15-2017 , 08:09 PM
The claims marijuana deaths are 0 are bull****, but it's not a concerning # whatsoever.

Trump insisting we've been abused through economic trades when prices of goods are low because of those deals, protect borders by cutting the coast guard budget. I hate politics, people eat this **** up.
03-15-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Um hello libtards, but I am ALSO a lawyer, and BMOL is 100% correct that judges are not allowed to try to get inside someone's mind to guess their intent. This is why, for example -- and you may have been wondering about this -- no one has ever been convicted of murder.
Word salad ftw.
03-15-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Um hello libtards, but I am ALSO a lawyer, and BMOL is 100% correct that judges are not allowed to try to get inside someone's mind to guess their intent. This is why, for example -- and you may have been wondering about this -- no one has ever been convicted of murder.
Ok, I laughed out loud.
03-15-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
The claims marijuana deaths are 0 are bull****, but it's not a concerning # whatsoever.

Trump insisting we've been abused through economic trades when prices of goods are low because of those deals, protect borders by cutting the coast guard budget. I hate politics, people eat this **** up.
Obviously people have died from Marijuana related stupidity, just not a straight overdose from such as there are so many who have with fentanyl lately. It is gross incompetence to cut down on addictions treatment and turn an eye to fentanyl and go after Marijuana. Idgaf about Marijuana and haven't even ever smoked tbh but it's just so incompetent.
03-15-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
What is the worst case scenario you envision? Obviously you think there is a decent chance that they would reveal something illegal.

Seems unlikely to me you are going to find anything illegal in his 1040 filings. Actually it was a pretty simple filing as far as IRS filings go. Schedule A, Schedule C and some other form in relation to line 21. Could have been some forms related to Schedule A too. The schedule C was from Melania's business interests I am pretty sure. Regarding line 21 on the 1040 I guess that was a tax loss carry forward.

The other thing is that I believe that his assets and liabilities are on the balance sheet of his corporation which I am sure is a C Corp. so his corporation files taxes and they reflect his business transactions. So I think finding tax law violations in his 1040's is pretty much a fools errand.
It's been reported that Trump did a conservation easement transaction in 2005, which is very likely ultrashady and could easily have been fraudulent. IIRC the gist of the transaction is that Trump promised not to develop houses on some of his golf course properties and in return took a deduction for like $30 million.
03-15-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
How can he read Trump's mind? He knows for sure this is a Muslim ban because he went off the rails a few times during the campaign trail. And as I said and even numerous lawyers have said on any major news network. Judges are only allowed to be reviewing what is in the order and if it's legal, not why it was written
lollllll. no.

what lawyer have you heard, and on what major news network other than Fox, say this?

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Originally Posted by BMOL33
You are very loosely interpreting things. That won't happen with Supreme Court judges in a million years
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll. no.
03-15-2017 , 08:21 PM
I would really like to know what bmol thinks the Supreme Court does and it's a lock he's never read a decision from them.
03-15-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I would really like to know what bmol thinks the Supreme Court does and it's a lock he's never read a decision from them.
Since everything to these judges is politically based now it'll be a 5-4 decision. It should be 9-0 but it won't be
03-15-2017 , 08:26 PM
Don't take Trump literally, but rather "look into his heart"... unless, of course, you are a judge ruling on his Muslim travel ban.
03-15-2017 , 08:27 PM
Is Trump on adderall or something? Jesus Christ, what a loon.

      
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