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03-15-2017 , 01:54 PM

#18576

HastenDan

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Interesting 18 hours of news media to miss and catch up on today.

03-15-2017 , 01:58 PM

#18577

Sighsalot

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Meanwhile, in actual news... if i was a betting man, and I am, I'd bet good money that trump/bank in leaked those taxes.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-sen-g...161118621.html

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Wednesday that Congress would “flex its muscle” and issue a subpoena if FBI Director James Comey did not respond to his request to say whether the agency is investigating President Trump’s unsubstantiated wiretapping claims as well as possible ties between Russia and Trump’s campaign.

03-15-2017 , 01:59 PM

#18578

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker

There is nothing in his taxes that is ever going to make any difference, period. Dude can keep tweeting and putting out those executive orders from prison, no one cares. Dick pics are our only chance here.

Only hurts him if he's gay.

03-15-2017 , 02:01 PM

#18579

Sighsalot

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"Graham also delivered a fierce defense of the congressional investigation into Russia’s presidential election interference on “Morning Joe.” The U.S. intelligence community accused the Kremlin of backing the cyberattacks that led to WikiLeaks publishing politically toxic emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman. Reports have indicated that federal officials have probed ties between Trump associates and Russia."

Sitting here at work watching him and nodding my head in agreement feels like thr weirdest thing ever lol

03-15-2017 , 02:04 PM

#18580

suzzer99

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A while back I gave a primer on how to read Chiefsplanet. FWIW they are mega-energized by this Maddow thing (not that I am blaming Maddow for Trump winning 2020 - which is stupid).

Almost all the top threads are right-wingers doing backflips. They're so hyped that they're bumping any thread about MSNBC or Trump taxes, and even threads from 2004 (Rathergate):

03-15-2017 , 02:17 PM

#18581

ScreaminAsian

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trump is a ratings machine. PERIOD.

03-15-2017 , 02:26 PM

#18582

suzzer99

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03-15-2017 , 02:48 PM

#18583

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Is this related to the same stuff that Maddow "reported?"

03-15-2017 , 02:53 PM

#18584

simplicitus

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Yes, the leak was actually to David Cay Johnson @DavidCayJ, a tax expert and semi-regular guest on Maddow/Hayes.

03-15-2017 , 02:56 PM

#18585

57 On Red

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Originally Posted by NhlNut

She had nothing and made a spectacle of it.

She presented it less than competently, but the fact that most of Trump's tax liability was due to a long-standing tax law that he has pledged to repeal is of interest.

Trump and his clique care less than nothing for the United States or the welfare of its people. They are running the US government as a scam, which is all they think it's good for, and they seek solely to enrich themselves. And they and their fat, thick supporters believe this type behaviour to be 'smart'.

03-15-2017 , 02:57 PM

#18586

Bigoldnit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Is this related to the same stuff that Maddow "reported?"

Yes. The reporter they are discussing is named David Cay Johnston. The partial return was actually sent to him and Rachel had him on as a guest to discuss it last night.

03-15-2017 , 02:58 PM

#18587

13ball

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Originally Posted by adios

I think your fixation on his taxes is sheeple type behavior FWIW.

There obviously has to be something in Trump's tax returns that he thinks would look bad otherwise he would have released them. There's no logical reason to withhold them if you don't think they will be problematic, at least potentially.

He could have released his clean tax returns just after the first return leaked during the campaign and made all the complainers look like morons. There's basically a 0% chance that his returns aren't embarrassing in some way.

Edit: I see Microbet beat me to making the same point.

03-15-2017 , 02:58 PM

#18588

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

One of the ultimately minor but telling symptoms of how ****ed we are is that the Republicans, deplorables, et al are in full-throated pride over how great American Donald Trump charitably paid a 25% effective rate out of the goodness of his heart and this just proves how over taxed we are, 38 million, I mean the Trump children probably barely ate in 2005, we really have to do something about this.

Now that in and of itself is problematic that the reflexive reaction to a 25% effective rate is a revulsion that taxes exist, but there's even a deeper problem. Yet again this gets to my point a few days ago about meta messaging. Today Democrats are tripping over themselves to explain the meaning of this, if there is any: it's a distraction from Russia! Or healthcare! Or it puts taxes back into the spotlight. Or it shows Trump's duplicitous 12D chess game where he leaked these on purpose! Or something or other, will some journalist go get the rest of his taxes so we can explain this to people, America is waiting, DO YOUR JOBS MEDIA, kthx, bye. One alternate would again be to tell Americans you tax the rich like twice as much as Trump is actually taxed at the level rich bozos whine about but never actually pay and they would probably be just fine, because right now they still have skyscrapers in Manhattan and private jets despite claims taxes impoverish them. But I guess that's socialism or something, I dunno. I'm not saying my way is the best and I get that 12 hours after a rather tepid reveal, you can't expect much organization on message.

So I'm not suggesting anyone failed recently. It's a long-term sort of failure. Because contrast the left with the right, who just declare taxes are too high, the end. And that just comes naturally to them. It's just a reflex. That's the marvelous thing about the right, and it's a credit to them much as we loathe it: they have these reflexive, neat frames for everything that are impervious to facts and context. I mean that slightly sardonically, but the left would be good to remember inculcating a reflexive way to interpret news and events and give people a coherent worldview is actually one of the core purposes of an ideology.

good example of this was Scalia. There was no time to coordinate comments, and every single GOPer knew immediately to come out and state there would be no replacement under Obama

03-15-2017 , 02:59 PM

#18589

wheatrich

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Trump is correct that nobody outside of maybe maddow watchers has ever heard of him before. The rest of it is ridiculous obviously. They basically confirmed it's real though, so idk what the hell he's going off about after that. Saying he stole them?

There is one small bit today though, Nunes (republican house intel chair) is now saying he doesn't believe trump tower got tapped.

Last edited by wheatrich; 03-15-2017 at 03:04 PM.

03-15-2017 , 03:04 PM

#18590

suzzer99

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Maybe ask Chiefsplanet to explain. Because they think Trump just posterized and shattered the backboard on Maddow, MSNBC, the entire MSM and all libtards worldwide.

03-15-2017 , 03:12 PM

#18591

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

Yes, the leak was actually to David Cay Johnson @DavidCayJ, a tax expert and semi-regular guest on Maddow/Hayes.

....which is why he got them and not Assange

03-15-2017 , 03:15 PM

#18592

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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker

There's a hooker pee video out there

03-15-2017 , 03:18 PM

#18593

wheatrich

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Maybe ask Chiefsplanet to explain. Because they think Trump just posterized and shattered the backboard on Maddow, MSNBC, the entire MSM and all libtards worldwide.

The bad libs were still like but A,B,C and whatever and the long game and I'm like--most people will only see X, and X means you got your asses KO'd.

MSNBC is bad anyway but they might've just gotten TKO'd with majority of america. Fox is awful, CNN is mostly just stupid. We don't have a good news channel in this country. They wouldn't get the ratings to stay afloat. Sad.

They are too dumb to take a page from trump's playbook--attack trump for not releasing the rest of his taxes rather than trying to play any defense.

Last edited by wheatrich; 03-15-2017 at 03:23 PM.

03-15-2017 , 03:23 PM

#18594

13ball

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If you want to bring down Trump, make sure he's around a lot of frolicking puppies. Eventually one will get in his way and he'll kick it. And that will begin his collapse.

03-15-2017 , 03:27 PM

#18595

suzzer99

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Related: has anyone else's FB feed into animal abuse outrage-central lately? I feel like I know about every animal that has been horrifically abused by some disturbed teenagers anywhere on earth. With graphic pics!

03-15-2017 , 03:32 PM

#18596

d2_e4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

Nope. She even addressed that tonight and basically trolled Trump knowing he was watching. The old dude that she was interviewing is the one that gave her the tax return. She just reported on it. It's protected under the 1st Amendment.

Why do people seem to think that Trump's tax returns will ever show any wrong-doing in relation to Russia? For example, if he is the ultimate beneficiary of that shady ~$10b Rosneft deal, there is going to be a line in his tax return saying "CREDIT: $10B PAYEE: MR V. PUTIN REF: SANCTIONS"?

Last edited by d2_e4; 03-15-2017 at 03:33 PM. Reason: Replied to wrong post - meant to reply to post that RV quoted. Same point regardless.

03-15-2017 , 03:37 PM

#18597

13ball

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I've seen a lot of this too. Too much.

03-15-2017 , 04:03 PM

#18598

Huehuecoyotl

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Glad to see Trump ending the assault that Obama did on the automotive industry.....by bailing them out? What? Oh Trump means he's just doing what automakers want and cutting fuel regulations with some words about keeping American jobs in America.

03-15-2017 , 04:24 PM

#18599

The REAL Trolly

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Suzzer going through some serious CP withdrawal.

03-15-2017 , 04:29 PM

#18600

TheNewT50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

To Trump's slight credit, reducing fuel economy standards is a much more effective way to cause auto production to occur in America than the piecemeal "threaten automakers on twitter" approach he used in December and January.

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