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03-15-2017 , 08:39 AM

#18526

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

This isnt 4chan or /theDonald. We are suppose to be the side that deals in facts and reality.

There is zero evidence that trumps camp leaked the returns. Zero. It's possible sure. However, right now so many people have accepted it as fact based on nothing. Zero. Soley because they were not negative.

Please explain the difference between this and pizzagate?

Come on guys. Let's do better. We are the side of reason, logic and evidence-based debate.

The tax returns are stamped "client copy." I wouldn't say zero evidence.

Edit: As in that makes it unlikely it was leaked from the IRS side (unless they stamped client copy to cover their tracks), or was leaked from his accountant (again unless he stamped it client copy to cover his tracks).

03-15-2017 , 08:41 AM

#18527

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

Maddow pointed that out. This is not evidence Trumps camp leaked them.

03-15-2017 , 08:45 AM

#18528

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

There is zero evidence that trumps camp leaked the returns. Zero. It's possible sure. However, right now so many people have accepted it as fact based on nothing. Zero. Soley because they were not negative.

Please explain the difference between this and pizzagate?

I'm not following the tax thing at all, but pizzagate is about 1500 times stupider than anything about taxes could possibly be.

03-15-2017 , 08:48 AM

#18529

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Maddow pointed that out. This is not evidence Trumps camp leaked them.

I think you think that "evidence" means something different than I think it does. It's not definitive evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump's camp leaked them, but it is certainly circumstantial evidence that Trump's camp leaked them.

03-15-2017 , 08:53 AM

#18530

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btw it is absolutely true that a large segment of the left is made up of mouthbreathers but i don't know why that would surprise anyone at all, the vast majority of people know absolutely nothing about politics, don't follow it, don't care, and even if they did they are stupid. shrug

lol at comparing speculation on trump leaking the taxes to pizzagate though, jesus

03-15-2017 , 08:54 AM

#18531

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I think it's pretty obvious that John Miller leaked the taxes.

03-15-2017 , 08:58 AM

#18532

Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Lol maybe watch the story since his tax rate and it's implications for his policy were the discussed at length.

The logic on this itt is really disappointing and shows there is less of a gap between the right and left sometimes than I like to believe.

No journalist on earth would not report what she got, she has no contro

%%l on what is leaked to her and not reporting it would be journalistic malpractice.

At most she is guilty of promoting her show with a tweet for ****s sake which is the absolute baseline minimum promotion for anything.

Did here first tweet oversell, sure. Other than that she did nothing wrong and if you think otherwise you relally need to examine your views and see them for what they are are; purely partisan and no different then the worst of the deplorables.

Ask yourself, if there was something damming in the returns would you all be complaining about her tweet?

You are made there was nothing bad. Period.

There is nothing wrong with reporting on this, provided she frames it correctly. She didn't. Her first tweet of " OMG guys I got his tax returns" was very bad. If she would have had access to substantial information ( schedules and everything), no one would complain if there was nothing nefarious present. However, she had access to very limited information, which provided very little insight into Trumps finances. One tweet can make a splash. The reason why this is bad, is because the next time someone actually finds his returns with some sort of smoking gun, no one will care.

03-15-2017 , 09:00 AM

#18533

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

Lindsay Graham, "I'm going to work with dems to pass a law that anyone running for president has to release their tax returns." Lindsay has been an impressive Trump troll going on a year. He's like bizarro Jeff Sessions.l

This will obviously never pass, but the states may come through on this. Several are proposing to keep candidates off the ballot who don't release their tax returns.

03-15-2017 , 09:03 AM

#18534

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex Ingram

The reason why this is bad, is because the next time someone actually finds his returns with some sort of smoking gun, no one will care.

Literally zero percent chance this is true.

03-15-2017 , 09:04 AM

#18535

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Originally Posted by jman220

Granted it's circumstantial. Many are not treated it as such, including itt.

03-15-2017 , 09:16 AM

#18536

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Lol maybe watch the story since his tax rate and it's implications for his policy were the discussed at length.

The logic on this itt is really disappointing and shows there is less of a gap between the right and left sometimes than I like to believe.

No journalist on earth would not report what she got, she has no control on what is leaked to her and not reporting it would be journalistic malpractice.

At most she is guilty of promoting her show with a tweet for ****s sake which is the absolute baseline minimum promotion for anything.

Did here first tweet oversell, sure. Other than that she did nothing wrong and if you think otherwise you relally need to examine your views and see them for what they are are; purely partisan and no different then the worst of the deplorables.

Ask yourself, if there was something damming in the returns would you all be complaining about her tweet?

You are made there was nothing bad. Period.

I am mad that she click-baited on an actually important story. She had nothing and made a spectacle of it. On an important topic that hadn't been worn thin by shoddy reporting.

03-15-2017 , 09:19 AM

#18537

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"We've got Trump tax returns."

plural

ends up being 2 pages of a 1040

03-15-2017 , 09:28 AM

#18538

Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Literally zero percent chance this is true.

Some will care sure. But for most people, "the smoking gun" will be hard to follow and understand. and yesterday's reporting will help to desensitize them to future reportings on this.

03-15-2017 , 09:31 AM

#18539

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NhlNut

I am mad that she click-baited on an actually important story. She had nothing and made a spectacle of it. On an important topic that hadn't been worn thin by shoddy reporting.

It's a good story and perfectly reasonable for her to hype it. I'm just annoyed that the story itself was so boring and badly constructed.

03-15-2017 , 09:36 AM

#18540

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What is a good story? 2 pages of hiss tax returns that tell us absolutely nothing?

03-15-2017 , 09:45 AM

#18541

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https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/842004580804239361

03-15-2017 , 10:02 AM

#18542

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/842004580804239361

Cmon bro. "My anonymous journalist friend" is some bull****. If this happened to a journalist, shouldn't we be seeing it reported in a news story with a byline?

03-15-2017 , 10:12 AM

#18543

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listening to Greenwald on with Tommy Vietor on Pod Save the World

pretty interesting, I agree with a lot of what Greenwald has to say, but still can't agree with him on Snowden's way of releasing the data (Greenwald says Snowden didn't feel comforable talking to Feinstein/Chambliss--fair--but didn't respond to Vietor bringing up Wyden, or hell, even Rand Paul)

03-15-2017 , 10:15 AM

#18544

microbet

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She's a journalist in the white house press corps and that story is hardly difficult to believe.

03-15-2017 , 10:31 AM

#18545

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Originally Posted by awval999

The last 4 months or so here have been very eye opening to me.

Go on...

03-15-2017 , 10:35 AM

#18546

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Originally Posted by microbet

She's a journalist in the white house press corps and that story is hardly difficult to believe.

I'm not skeptical of the story - well a little bit about "that's for me to know and you to find out" which makes it sound like she was detained by Hannibal Lecter - but certainly the thrust is believable. But this is a news story and they're journalists, so... put your name behind it, publish it, and show some pride in your craft.

03-15-2017 , 10:42 AM

#18547

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Cmon bro. "My anonymous journalist friend" is some bull****. If this happened to a journalist, shouldn't we be seeing it reported in a news story with a byline?

Tommy seemed woefully unprepared to discuss the issues with Greenwald. If the goal is to allow Glenn to tell his side of the story.....then job well done. Greenwald did a fine job of defending himself, his colleagues, and their collective motives. Not that these formats need to be adversarial to provide value...but I expected a little more defending of his stated position and his old bosses stated positions.

03-15-2017 , 10:55 AM

#18548

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

I guess we'll see. She responded to a few people asking for info that she's contacting the person to share her story. Sean Hannity also demanded proof in the thread, lol. Though when someone asked him for proof of voter fraud he just said 'voter fraud is well known'.