I think there's a real danger in playing this "gotcha" game over and over with Trump at every little thing that can possibly be interpreted as negative. There are enough REAL negative and terrifying things about this administration many of which are already impeachable. The more of these nuisance grievances they successfully deflect, the harder it will be to pursue when a rock solid case of an impeachable offense is found.

The left? Something like 76% of Americans want to see his returns.

seems like the pro move is to release it to weakeyleaks, distances trump from them and makes him look good at the same time

White people on disability is like 10% of Trump's base. I'm assuming this doesn't affect them in any way.

She tweeted this right after so she did just say it was all she had.

No liberal in the public eye can ever make a mistake or do something dumb - lest a certain segment of the public have NO CHOICE but to elect a deranged racist buffoon.

Check.

pretty sure that was like 45 mins later after the twitterverse had already exploded


lol at anyone pretending she didn't know exactly what she was doing. whether it was "smart" or not remains to be seen i guess. i personally don't think it really matters and is probably something people will forget in like 5 days. i can't even watch maddow anymore though tbh as i posted a few days ago she is getting pretty unbearable iwth the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA stuff but i know a lot of people are into that

btw, can they put maddow in jail for releasing those?

If so, would be one of the most epic fails ever, a seemingly obvious setup given the stamp with nothing there and they still ran with it.

We need to



and just keep chipping away.

I don't think a journalist has an obligation to release his 2005 tax return no matter how she got it. Now if it was one of the years he was running for president I think it becomes a different story because those are the ones that would be more likely to either show or not show a connection to Russia, which is what makes it newsworthy. The former isn't really a newsworthy imo unless there is something that shows malfeasance.


I imagine some people won't agree with me, but you have to draw the line somewhere right?

Nope. She even addressed that tonight and basically trolled Trump knowing he was watching. The old dude that she was interviewing is the one that gave her the tax return. She just reported on it. It's protected under the 1st Amendment.

Yea tonight was the first night I watched her in probably 5 years. I had to look up what channel MSNBC was on. She seemed off guard tonight; flustered at times. I don't think she thought it would explode like it did. *shrugs*

Journalists have protections for things like this, non issue. Although there are things they could do to acquire information that are illegal but don't apply here.

Curious about one thing - in this case they got a WH response on it quickly, which is suspicious but good, although from what I'm seeing they were intending to run this anyway. Based on an unknown--not hidden, but unknown--source? I missed some part of the story I think, I'd think you'd need to verify the documents as legitimate in some way. Anybody catch how they did that? How do you authenticate these docs otherwise? You obviously don't just find two IRS docs and assume they're real.

Rumor going around is that Trump himself leaked it because of Comey. Who the **** knows with this clown show of an administration.

Right I get that part, but my take was that "the WH knew we were going to run it" suggests they were going to do so without WH confirming their authenticity. Wondering if I misheard or missed part of this.

Didn't she say they sent it to WH and asked them to comment/confirm and they basically confirmed it themselves.

Anyway can we move on to whether or not Trump is going to fire Comey tomorrow? And estimates of how many people will die because of Trumpcare.

DC Report is back up, they don't specify a timeline and just say WH confirmed. A rewatch of Maddow on O'Donnell also just said that's how they were able to run it. So that settles that.

Does strongly suggest this is a leak from Trump though.

Almost every property in the country doubled in value from 2004-2008, more along the coasts, less in the midwest, it was a ridiculous real estate boom we will probably never see again. He bought and sold for what were market values at the time, the sale price might have been a bit high but there was mass hysteria going on at the time. Thinking there is a conspiracy there is almost as bad as being a birther. What was this, some type of long play to make Trump run for president 8 years later?

Maddow spent the first 20 minutes of her show sounding like a birther conspiracy theorist. Zero facts, zero news, just bad journalism. Don't get me wrong, Trump is just as bad (and worse) with the crap that comes out of his mouth, but the news story tonight was a big win for Trump.

I don't think I read anything about this yesterday, was it discussed here? I remember hearing about it in advance but nothing since the order came out:

The Executive Branch Is About to Be 'Reorganized' into Oblivion

Yahoo front page at the moment



Look I think Maddow has been doing important stories about Trump so far. But she ****ed up with her tweet about "we have Trumps tax returns".

Was mentioned in a post, maybe I did it, don't recall. Only thing I read after that is that they'll audit. Without specifics it's hard to talk about it.

Yes, america is autocratic now, but we already knew that.

This might be a more empty story than the 2005 taxes themselves.

Btw, releasing even one tax year returns is a pretty big card that trump was holding pretty close. If the WH really leaked it, makes you think what made them do it? Diversion from their real motive? Getting desperate over more Russia talk? Preemptive damage control over something yet to be released? Trying to stop the ahca disaster coverage?

Surprised to find myself saying this but I agree with Shoe...definitely no question on the real estate bubble being a possible explanation for an actual doubling of a property's sales price, though 2008 kind of into the downturn. I'd add that it was a distressed property DT bought at auction, and he is a real estate developer, after all...yet Maddow repeatedly harped on the singular point that he sold the property for double what he paid for it.

The guy he sold it to was a Russian billionaire, but that was known in 2008. And DT also acknowledged this particular sale months before the election. He actually volunteered it himself as an example of...here just read it:

"What do I have to do with Russia? You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach, Florida... for $40 million and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million including brokerage commissions."

Those ITT saying people are being too harsh on Maddow should consider whether sensationalism like the above example (especially lacking of some of the important context I just gave) is good journalism, and what it accomplishes.

Not really. 2004-2007 yes, but the housing crash hit in the beginning of 2007 and hit Florida early and hard. By mid-2008, when the sale happened, prices were back to around where they were in 2004.

I doubt this was worth reporting on though for other reasons I won't enumerate because **** Trump.

Trump leaks his own 1040, then releases statement saying the nation's free press is breaking the law

It's not complicated