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03-14-2017 , 03:33 PM

#18251

Namath12

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Are any health insurance company CEOs members of mar a lago?

03-14-2017 , 03:36 PM

#18252

HastenDan

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Sometimes you gotta crack a few eggs.

03-14-2017 , 03:45 PM

#18253

HastenDan

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If you are curious what angle will likely end up being taken on the Obamatapping:

Quote:

In this case, the alleged surveillance was reportedly ordered in a way that left no record, he said.

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."

Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.

"There's no American fingerprints on this," Napolitano said. "What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Donald Trump was inaugurated."

Fox News has you covered

03-14-2017 , 03:51 PM

#18254

Namath12

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Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News

Are they trying to piss Trump off with this anonymous source dagnabbitry?

03-14-2017 , 03:56 PM

#18255

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

If you are curious what angle will likely end up being taken on the Obamatapping:

Fox News has you covered

Yeah, thanks for satisfying our 'curiosity' lol.

Thank god you don't actually believe any of this **** from Fox and are just posting it to warn us.

03-14-2017 , 03:56 PM

#18256

markksman

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Greenwald will be on pod save the world this week

Was Putin not available?

03-14-2017 , 04:06 PM

#18257

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

If you are curious what angle will likely end up being taken on the Obamatapping:

Fox News has you covered

That wording is amazing. Like I read it to mean that three intelligence sources confirmed that Obama didn't use them to wiretap Trump. Then the guy says that Obama used the British agency, but he does not attribute that most significant part to the sources!

Also, why is it now impossible? We cant investigate GCHQ? Maybe we could start by asking?

Also also, I assume major sanctions are in the offing for our exfriends across the pond considering they conspired with Obama to commit treason.

03-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

#18258

HastenDan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yeah, thanks for satisfying our 'curiosity' lol.

Thank god you don't actually believe any of this **** from Fox and are just posting it to warn us.

Um okay? Great post liar?

03-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

#18259

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thethethe

That's brilliant. I'd like to see it with Bannon instead of Conway though.

Carson as the baby is perfect.

03-14-2017 , 04:10 PM

#18260

HastenDan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Yeah I imagine if this angle is pushed harder by the administration we should get the "Uh nope" statement from GCHQ before the end of the week. And we know Trump was likely watching Fox and Friends going "ahhhh yissss".

03-14-2017 , 04:13 PM

#18261

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

If you are curious what angle will likely end up being taken on the Obamatapping:

It's drivel. The original intercepts, on Russians, implicating Trumpoids, were made by the British, who tipped the US intelligence services off. Nothing to do with Obama.

03-14-2017 , 04:17 PM

#18262

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

So if hypothetically his son in law said to him something like:

Hey Dad if you changed the plan to something that works a lot like Medicare except its not just for old people, you could call it Trumpcare, you would totally fulfill your promise to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better, and it would absolutely pass Congress, what are the chances he would say "Why didn't you tell me this before? Let's do it."?

Trump isn't that involved. He's just there to be popular and make money.

03-14-2017 , 04:19 PM

#18263

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Originally Posted by RV Life

A couple things I want to address here.

You can make fun of me and say "LOL you" all you want. It doesn't bother me. But...if I have barely heard of these guys (I sure as hell couldn't name all 40+ that were asked to step down. ****, I can't even name 2.) then the average voter has not learned who these guys are. I follow politics pretty much 75% of the time. I wouldn't say 24/7 but I know I follow it more than the average voter. I had never heard of this Bharara guy til the past week. Even with people bringing up Black Friday, I didn't draw the connection.

Now, if you want to say that makes me stupid. Fine. I'm stupid. But if I'm stupid, you should really be worried about the 75% of the population that follows this stuff less than I do. Because those 75% aren't gonna notice if a guy resigned or was fired. But...if a guy like Bharara runs for office, don't you think his opponent will bring up the fact he was fired? If his opponent is saying "Hey, our PRESIDENT had to FIRE this guy!" do you think the average voter is going to be able to distinguish between voluntarily resigning or being fired?

Just an aside Preet was the most well known by a mile and he had regular high profile cases with his name attached each year. If people were polled for famiiiarity of AGAs he Would could get 99.9% of the vote of those who recognized any of them.

03-14-2017 , 04:20 PM

#18264

microbet

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What about the Kenyan secret service?

03-14-2017 , 04:20 PM

#18265

Namath12

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It's just beyond amazing how Trump hits the Twitter app icon, farts into the phone, clicks "Tweet" and the RW derposphere gives itself sports hernias trying to make the fart smell pleasant.

03-14-2017 , 05:01 PM

#18266

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

It's just beyond amazing how Trump hits the Twitter app icon, farts into the phone, clicks "Tweet" and the RW derposphere gives itself sports hernias trying to make the fart smell pleasant.

Yeah. It's pretty amazing when you realize that, almost simultaneously,

A) Spicer argues that Trump wasn't actually accusing the former President of illegal taps because he employed "teh magical quotes" (even though not all of the tweets contained quotation marks).

B) Fox advances the argument that it was totally happening.

So, Trump supporters have just been given the perfect playbook. Just spout the basically evidence-free, difficult (if not impossible) to disprove, allegation about the surveillance. Even if someone engages with you on that terrain and manages to convince you that it's bull****, you never have to concede that Trump was wrong, you just fall back to "well, of course it was bull****, he was just kidding guyz. Silly liberals, always taking politics so seriously. Lol" and move on with your day.

And they do this with EVERY. ****ING. ISSUE.

03-14-2017 , 05:17 PM

#18267

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From your lips to God's ears: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=306578

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

This is what Trump tweeted:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837989835818287106">March 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why do you think "wires tapped" is in quotes?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Where has he backed down on his claim? He hasn't changed his claim.

And seriously do you think the claim is that outlandish? Do you really not believe that something involving surveillance was going on and Obama new about it?

Obama isnt dumb enough to have his name attached to it but there is almost no doubt Trump's claim is accurate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

He said "wire tapped" (in quotes).

We don't know if that means a literal monitoring of a telephone number, some form of electronic surveillance, or a combination of methods, but the FISA provisions clearly allow for forms of electronic surveillance that go far beyond simple wiretaps.

(You might remember this from times when you were presumably outraged that a White House might use FISA against citizens or nationals of the United States, such as under the George W. Bush administration)

03-14-2017 , 05:21 PM

#18268

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

And most importantly, always accuse the other side of exactly what you're doing/being accused of doing. If half the country has Fox News as their most left-leaning news source and it just goes on to crazy town from there, it's really ridiculously easy to create an equivalence between the sinister things you're actually doing and the falsified things your opponents are up to.

Liberals see you as evil and your enemies as good. Conservatives see you as good and your enemies as evil. Lots of uninterested people hear the same old bickering they always have. Facts and actions are completely beside the point.

Hell, just project the sinister stuff you're up to right now onto your enemies even before you're accused of it. Frame public opinion and normalize the actions. Then when accusations you might have done it enter the public discourse, the pump is primed, it's easily folded into the partisan bickering, and people are eager to assume their positions in one trench or the other.

03-14-2017 , 05:24 PM

#18269

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Yep that's been the Rovian Republican strategy for over 2 decades now. It's devastatingly effective.

The best you can do is try to call it out for what it is the second you see it. I delude myself that this makes a difference.