Well that's heartening: a person who doesn't believe truth and reason are worth fighting for because they perceive their opponent as being alien to both of them. What a bankrupt philosophy that is. I worry this diseased mindset is widespread.

I only just found out what WAAF means.

WAAF

This is probably as good as it's gonna get:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6614

It has not been stressed enough how much of a must-read this is:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...ry?id=45047602

Someone needs to produce a border wall - safe space meme.

Trumps latest Tweet (I'm too dumb to embed it)


"Look forward to seeing final results of VoteStand. Gregg Phillips and crew say at least 3,000,000 votes were illegal. We must do better!"


Seems like Votestand is an app where people claim anything (eg a black person looked shifty and looked similar to another person who had already voted - also they voted Dem, obv). Really, it seems to work just like that. And the POTUS is Tweeting about this "evidence".

The founder of the app

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11...ent=1485523789

He sounds like the sort of person that Trump can relate to, his sort of citizen.

Its not only that he thinks three million + people voted illegally, but that he didn't get a single one of those votes that kinda confirms he's over the edge.

Honestly, when I think what politicians and sportspeople and Tweeted to get in trouble in the UK this is just mind-bending. If I had a 14 year old kid who acted like this I'd be embarrassed, but this is the POTUS.

I wonder if at some point Trump is going to completely disconnect from his administration and be a figurehead while everybody else does the work for him. Every once in a while, Trump stops watching CNN to give a planned speech to talk about something good or blame somebody for that good thing not happening to make it look like he is in power when he's really just mainlining CNN in the Oval Office 24/7.

The thing is the app's "findings" was only one tweet but it got amped up by InfoWars which is most likely were President of the Free World and Most Powerful Person in the World got his information. He's getting his information from InfoWars. He's getting his information from InfoWars. You kind of have to repeat it over and over again to let it sink in.

This whole Trump is unhinged thing going on in this thread reminds me a lot of the "Trump is going to pull out of the race by the end of the month" we saw each and every month of the campaign.

Obviously he is unhinged but he isn't any more so than he was in the campaign. He is basically doing and acting exactly the same way he has since he announced his campaign. The fact everyone is alarmed he didn't magically turn into a classy and intelligent guy shows just how jaded we are towards politicians and the honesty with which they campaign. Granted Trump is completely dishonest also but in a different way. He meant what he said in his campaign clearly but just surrounded it with lies that were tangent to the promises.

I knew of this Alex Jones from Youtube and TV clips before knowing he was the main Infowars guy (I'd resisted viewing the pages for my sanity's sake). I'd just assumed he was some lunatic with about 1000 people following his Youbtube channel.

I mean, what's next, something to do with chemtrails? Or perhaps he'll try to stop vaccinations. I'm not ruling anything out.

As a Brit it's hugely, Bigly, embarrassing that the un-elected bureaucrat is the first leader to meet him.

Talk about wanting to live on your knees rather than die on your feet.

****ing coward.

Well I guess you missed this article friend. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...science-2017-1

Honestly Trump is so dense and easily manipulated that I support May going over there to grab some free loot for britain before putin gets his share.

Hopefully in the midst of the collapsing government we're too small for the smart conniving people to worry about and she'll get to neogtiate bigly with Trump one on one. After Brexit we need all the help we can get. Tricking trump into a speedy "fantastic deal" might hold us over until we can sort out our brexit mess.

The only concern is she might catch Blair syndrome and become a Trump lackey in which case we're totally ****ed. I'm assuming she's smart enough to just take the money and run.

What's the big deal, they're a credential WH press corps organization.

Jesus Christ

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li.../2870449?snl=1

This whole thing reminds me of this

Just to clutter up the threat with useless data, I think some people mentioned actuarial tables and death rates.

Well, using typical life tables for a UK pension scheme for relatively well paid pensioners who retired in normal heath the probs you get are around:

Death prob before age 74 (starting at 70) ~ 4.2%
Death prob before age 78 (starting at 70) ~ 10.5%
Average life expectancy from age 70 # 89 years.

Obviously everyone has their own expectation, and it is always subjective. If he has no known conditions, and I recall something about his paid for doc saying he's the fittest ever POTUS or something, then he may be expected to do better. Then again, it's a stressful job for most people and there is always the extra chance of being assassinated.

I'd think that poor health may be more likely than death, but then again he's so arrogant he probably thinks he can run the county from his bed.

pretty sure that right now illegal immigration is at a net of 0 or less. so ya, that would be pretty likely.

If he can destroy the crony capitalism from within as remove power of the government as suggested by the great Milton Friedman, he can create an economic boom.

He is self funding and able to say no to Adelson etc. who bought and lobbied the UIGEA.

Of course he has to be tougher than others if he wants yo survive from the bigoteer media. Romney and McCAIN look really moderate now, but back then they were women hating klan members thanks to bigoteer narratives of media democrats.

Have you travelled here from 12 months ago?

Yeah he's basically stocking his cabinet with cronies and completely unqualified people, so that's already a dead narrative. Sweet hot take

ya, I just dont think there is any way to convince these ppl. but I do agree that democracy is at stake, tho I dont think there is any way to save that it. so, if we actually want to live in a reasonable and comfortable and profitable society then there will need to be drastic measures taken.