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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-12-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The party of progressives needs someone inspirational. That's 90% of beating Trump...




Thanks DNC, nice job. Thanks Hillary, thanks Hillary voters. Worked out real well.
03-12-2017 , 08:45 PM
Trying to win a crooked game is futile if you have no control over which way the board is bent. The right play now is to go after the "winner" of this illegitimate contest and those responsible for the "victory", and everything else will take care of itself
03-12-2017 , 08:59 PM
How do we go after the winner? The Executive and Legislative branches of the Federal Government are actively obstructing to try to prevent investigation into corruption.
03-12-2017 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
People thinking Trump sucks would be great, but why have Democrats ever won?

Do you remember how much McCain, Romney, Dole and Bush Sr. sucked or do you remember Obama and Bill C. kicking ass?

The party of progressives needs someone inspirational. That's 90% of beating Trump in 2020.
Obama and Bill are two of the greatest pure politicians of all time. They both have incredible instincts and (especially Bill) speaking ability. They may not have inspired you, a more progressive person, but I think they both inspired a huge part of the middle of the country, at least.

I know this has been played a gazillion times, but it really is a tour de force in politics:

03-12-2017 , 09:25 PM
I feel like apathy is setting in.
03-12-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Moreland tweet by Bharara confirms this,
I don't have enough popcorn to watch all of this play out. Occam would certainly think Preet was let go to protect Trump.
03-12-2017 , 09:47 PM
champstark,

I was including Bill as inspirational, though in 1992 I was past my early phase of college hippy and before my stage of old radical and, while I voted, I wasn't into following campaigns at the time. I'm not like the uber-progressive I seem to represent on the board. I think it's more like we are on a giant ship which has been turning right for 40 years or more and we need to turn hard a port to get back on track. Also, things like corruption from big business/money and propaganda and corruption in regards to the military are just facts that anyone anywhere in the political spectrum should see. I'm interested in radical political theory though, like anarcho-socialism, anti-authoritarian and/or collectivist projects. At this point it's just an interest. I haven't written my manifesto yet.

Obama and Bill C were winning personalities as was Reagan. Bush Sr. had weak competition personality wise and rode Reagan's coat tails. W faced weak competition personality wise and lost the popular vote and won the electoral college in court. As great as Obama and Bill C are in this regard, I don't think they're twice in a lifetime personalities and that it will only be pure luck if we find anyone like them again.
03-12-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass



Thanks DNC, nice job. Thanks Hillary, thanks Hillary voters. Worked out real well.
I honestly can't come up with anyone other than Bernie. Who else out there, that we know of right now, could be as inspirational and as 'for the people' as him?
03-12-2017 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet

But, none of that helps with the problem that 4 years of Trump is just about unbearable. The Russia business offers hope for impeachment. Maybe that puts me in the same place as the Trumpkins who felt that their way of life couldn't withstand an Obama Presidency and they put everything into the hope that they could disqualify him for office, but that's where I am in fact; genuinely concerned that even one full term of Trump will do catastrophic damage.
That pretty well sums up my feelings at the moment. I don't know if I can take watching these morons intentionally destroy our rights, our environment, our social safety net, and our economy for 4 years.
03-12-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
I honestly can't come up with anyone other than Bernie. Who else out there, that we know of right now, could be as inspirational and as 'for the people' as him?

Well if you ask me, Bernie Sanders was the 'for the people' candidate, and he should have been President. Just think about this: we're only what, a month and a half into Trump's Presidency? Think about how many things currently happening would be completely different if it had been Bernie Sanders winning the Presidential election.

The DNC was entirely biased towards Clinton, and the media was complicit in this. For instance, Donna Brazile passing debate questions off to the Clinton camp, without doing the same for Sanders or O'Malley. And there's something getting lost in the current state of the whole Russian scandal debate. Clinton was corrupt as **** herself, and just represented the State side of the malevolent Corporate-State partnership. Ideologically, she was basically a Republican. She was far from Progressive. She was marred by a lack of enthusiasm, she was sad, low energy.

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CNN has severed ties with the Democratic strategist Donna Brazile, after hacked emails from WikiLeaks showed that she shared questions for CNN-sponsored candidate events in advance with friends on Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/u...leaks-cnn.html


Bernie Sanders polled way better against Trump than Hillary did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-go...b_8936840.html

I think he would have exposed what a fraud and charlatan Donald Trump is during the debates, and he would have won the General election, and would now be our President. The EPA wouldn't be gutted, Obamacare wouldn't be gutted, Russia would not be having direct influence in the Oval Office, there would have been no Muslim ban, there would be no insane idea to slash every piece of the social safety net to blow an historical amount of money on the military, and there would be no ridiculous talk about building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

People that have died might be alive right now if it would have been Sanders. Trump authorized the raid in which Ryan Owens was killed, maybe Sanders wouldn't have authorized this. Furthermore, how about the influence of hate? The six people that were killed in the Mosque by that right wing nut job in Quebec might very well be alive right now.

So this is why I think it's entirely appropriate to take every opportunity to say,

Thanks DNC, thanks Hillary. Thanks Hillary voters, nice job. Well done.

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 03-12-2017 at 10:20 PM.
03-12-2017 , 10:01 PM
WHO KNEW THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT THE WATER SITUATION IN FLINT????
03-12-2017 , 10:01 PM
The corporate media obviously had no obligation to treat anyone any particular way, but much more than the DNC stuff, I think the corporate media bias against Bernie was an obstacle for him.

http://harpers.org/archive/2016/11/swat-team-2/

In the days of Trump's illegitimate bashing of the media it may well be bad form to bash it even if it is for different reasons, but the corporate consolidation of the media isn't imaginary and contending that it has an effect isn't nearly as conspiratorial as ignoring it is sticking your head in the sand.
03-12-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
I don't even think we necessarily need to see them as separate. The Russia stuff plays right into enriching Exxon cronies and other rich friends of his instead of the working class also.
Exxon's Largest Shareholders
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Rex Tillerson

Tillerson is a previous chairman of the American Petroleum Institute (API), and is on the Emergency Committee for American Trade. He earned his bachelor's degree in civil engineering at the University of Texas, Austin, and was awarded an honorary doctorate degree in engineering by the Worcester Polytechnic Institute in 2011. As of a December 2015 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), Tillerson had 2.466 million shares of Exxon Mobil stock.
Yeah Tillerson but wait!
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Institutional and Mutual Fund Stockholders
Institutional investors and mutual funds hold far more shares than any individual Exxon Mobil stockholder. The largest institutional investor holding Exxon Mobil shares is The Vanguard Group Inc., which held 261.953 million shares as of December 2015. The mutual fund that holds the largest amount of shares is the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund ("VTSMX"), which held 76.325 million shares as of the same date.

Well I guess the folks who have their 401k money invested in Vanguard are the cronies you're referring to. The left and their robber baron bull **** is just so laughable.
03-12-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Exxon's Largest Shareholders
Yeah Tillerson but wait!

Well I guess the folks who have their 401k money invested in Vanguard are the cronies you're referring to. The left and their robber baron bull **** is just so laughable.
Median net worth in the USA is about $45k. How much of that do you think is Exxon stock for a person with that net worth?
03-12-2017 , 10:19 PM
As if there was ever any doubt.



https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/841027818410692608
03-12-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think the corporate media bias against Bernie was an obstacle for him.

Absolutely.
03-12-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Trump's report card after 50 days.

B average. Not too bad, all things considered.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/12/heres-p...ays-in-office/
Goodwin is a ****ing hack
03-12-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Median net worth in the USA is about $45k. How much of that do you think is Exxon stock for a person with that net worth?
easiest $3.50 ever
03-12-2017 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
As if there was ever any doubt.



https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/841027818410692608
This is a pretty ineffective line, imo. He'll just wait until he's cornered, donate it at that point, and then claim that's when he was going to get around to it all along. Opponents will think he is full of **** and supporters will believe him.

I think if you're going to play it, you need to at least wait until he is deeper into his presidency. And even then it plays out pretty much the same.

I guess you still have to do it. It's probably worth some infinitesimal EV and every little bit helps.
03-12-2017 , 10:50 PM
Rex Tillerson: Russian Order of Friendship from Putin; Prime cabinet position from Trump.


Preet Bahara: Banned from Russia by Putin; Fired by Trump.
03-12-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
But, none of that helps with the problem that 4 years of Trump is just about unbearable. The Russia business offers hope for impeachment. Maybe that puts me in the same place as the Trumpkins who felt that their way of life couldn't withstand an Obama Presidency and they put everything into the hope that they could disqualify him for office, but that's where I am in fact; genuinely concerned that even one full term of Trump will do catastrophic damage.
The reason Trumpkins thought things were unbearable under Obama is because they are ignorant dopes. They just couldn't handle the fact a black man with a Harvard education could possibly be better, smarter or more successful. This uppity black man whom is possibly from Kenya (anyone can forge a birth certificate) is living a better and more successful life than their own sorry pathetic asses. The system is rigged! Has to be. And they were FED UP. ANGRY.

But on the other hand, Trump and his cronies just want to create an American oligarchy. They want to control everything from money to healthcare and don't give a flying **** if poor Peggy Sue from Bum****, Iowa can't afford her cancer medication. She can just piss off and die along with all the other poors.

Look at this quote from a Trumpkin worried about losing Medicaid. She STILL wants that Obummercare to disappear.

“I’m all in favor of repealing it,” she said about Republicans’ push to do away with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), popularly known as Obamacare. But, she said, when you talk about cutting Medicaid: “I don’t agree with that at all.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw

There is just no rationalizing with people like this.
03-12-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
This is a pretty ineffective line, imo. He'll just wait until he's cornered, donate it at that point, and then claim that's when he was going to get around to it all along. Opponents will think he is full of **** and supporters will believe him.

I think if you're going to play it, you need to at least wait until he is deeper into his presidency. And even then it plays out pretty much the same.

I guess you still have to do it. It's probably worth some infinitesimal EV and every little bit helps.
Just venting. When he is eventually cornered it will be for something else entirely. There's no reason he can't keep the money and no way I know of to prove he did otherwise, short of disclosures he isn't going to make voluntarily (taxes).
03-12-2017 , 11:17 PM
Sushy is only accepting the b for trump because not enough illegals had kids separated from their parents, if they did that more he'd give trump an A. Maybe kill a few more 8 year olds with raids that didn't need to be undertaken, lie a few thousand more times or get 30 million people off Healthcare. Easy A then imo.

Also, lol adios. Best front bottoms song, worst poster.
03-12-2017 , 11:33 PM


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/841116271655690240
03-12-2017 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Rex Tillerson: Russian Order of Friendship from Putin; Prime cabinet position from Trump.


Preet Bahara: Banned from Russia by Putin; Fired by Trump.
What's relevant:

Rex Tillerson: Political appointee of Trump. Trump still POTUS.


Preet Bahara: Political appointee of Obama. Obama no longer POTUS.


How dare Trump dump Obama political appointees like Obama dumped Bush appointees.

      
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