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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-11-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
If you are talking about Bharara, this comment is beyond ridiculous. US Attorney for the SDNY is a very high profile position. He could do interviews in the NY legal market for the next ten years, and not once would he ever be asked why he was "fired."
No I mean in general. It just looks better to say you resigned rather than say you were fired. Obv. it's different for high profile people.
03-11-2017 , 08:34 PM
rex tillerson, such a good friend of putin he gave him a MEDAL OF FRIENDSHIP, has no comment on a 37% cut to the state department. the reason putin hates hillary is because she USED the state department against him.

lol at this being a mild destabilization campaign. trump is a real puppet here we're seeing it
03-11-2017 , 09:26 PM
Who knew that all it takes to run Exxon is being a lil bi*ch?

(The cult of the CEO in the US is pathetic. Often CEOs are just people with some general competence in their area who ride events beyond their control, to success or failure, and yet society sanctions, or at least permits, massively outsized rewards.)
03-11-2017 , 09:30 PM
Unless this admin is cut short very quickly Tillerson will find an extra digit in his net worth either by the end or w/in a year afterwards.
03-11-2017 , 09:32 PM
Was at a Liberal fundraiser and someone who had a discussion with there US counterpart in Washington was told there is sooo much intel evidence on Russia/Trump connection it is only a matter of time **** really hits the fan. He wont even make the first year in office.
03-11-2017 , 09:48 PM
I'll believe it when I see it
03-11-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
rex tillerson, such a good friend of putin he gave him a MEDAL OF FRIENDSHIP, has no comment on a 37% cut to the state department. the reason putin hates hillary is because she USED the state department against him.

lol at this being a mild destabilization campaign. trump is a real puppet here we're seeing it
+1
03-11-2017 , 09:57 PM
Guys, the reason the Bharara thing matters so much is Trump told him he wouldn't be fired in November and they made a huge deal about it.
03-11-2017 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by salesbeast
Was at a Liberal fundraiser and someone who had a discussion with there US counterpart in Washington was told there is sooo much intel evidence on Russia/Trump connection it is only a matter of time **** really hits the fan. He wont even make the first year in office.
As long as the Republicans control both Houses, DJT is not going anywhere. Unless, Republicans put country before party. Or some really damning evidence come out.
03-11-2017 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt_PBA
As long as the Republicans control both Houses, DJT is not going anywhere. Unless, Republicans put country before party. Or some really damning evidence come out.
My gut tells me that this year, something smoking-gun-ish enough is gonna come out that Congress has to act, but they'll just go through the motions and make damn sure that the vote to convict in the senate falls somewhere between 50% and 66%. They'll make it look good, but it'll basically end with a "Donny, you rascal, you be careful now" finger-wagging and then everyone going back to business as usual.

Which raises the question: I assume double jeopardy rules apply to the presidency as well? I know the Dems are unlikely to pick up more than 1-2 senate seats in '18, but if America doubles down on their stupidity and reelects Trump in for a second term, there's a chance the senate could get blue enough somewhere in there to convict him...but I assume they'd have to impeach again on completely different charges for that to happen?
03-11-2017 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt_PBA
As long as the Republicans control both Houses, DJT is not going anywhere. Unless, Republicans put country before party. Or some really damning evidence come out.
A massive # of people will not believe damning evidence anyway. Then who's gonna do anything about it if they just ignore it? So far, the answer is nobody.

Dems are gonna lose senate seats when they stupidly primary the centrist D's left in R states, some chance to flip the house though.
03-11-2017 , 10:24 PM
When **** hits the fan and Trump is told to leave and says "you and what army?" I guess we'll find out where the army stands.
03-11-2017 , 11:23 PM
Lol "when the **** hits the fan." Dude who said he's a sexual predator on tape is POTUS. I'm covered in it.
03-11-2017 , 11:36 PM
DVaut for president, Seriously. You won't win, far to logical for that, but you write the words I wish I could.
03-11-2017 , 11:53 PM
Steve Bannon under investigation in florida for residency claim on voter registration.

Doubt that'll do much but pretty sure my bingo card is completely covered now.
03-12-2017 , 12:12 AM
State Dept didn't know Mexican Foreign Minister was in DC.

Just in case anyone didn't figure out yet there is no state dept in this administration.
03-12-2017 , 12:27 AM
Tillerson knew because he happened to run into the FM at a restaurant. The FM was here to meet Kushner; someone actually important.
03-12-2017 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Because people have short attention spans. No one is going to remember what happened in 6 months. It just looks better to say you quit rather than say you were fired.
LOL. We're not talking about managing an Applebee's here. It was mostly already addressed, but US attorney for any district in the US is a big ****ing deal. While Preet is in a higher profile district, the vast majority of them can get jobs that pay a lot more than what they were getting with virtually no effort. Fired or resigned will not matter one bit.

Your comment is certainly true, in general, but that's clearly not talking about here. We're talking about 40-50 specific people.
03-12-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Steve Bannon under investigation in florida for residency claim on voter registration.
This only matters because falsely claiming Florida residency amounts to tax fraud due to FL not having an income tax.
03-12-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
I know the Dems are unlikely to pick up more than 1-2 senate seats in '18, but if America doubles down on their stupidity and reelects Trump in for a second term, there's a chance the senate could get blue enough somewhere in there to convict him...but I assume they'd have to impeach again on completely different charges for that to happen?
There's ~no chance of picking up more than 1-2 Senate seats and even that would be a huge win. That's picking up the Nevada and Arizona seats currently held by Republicans. Next best shot for a third seat would probably be displacing Ted Cruz in Texas. All other Republican seats are in solid red states. Meanwhile Democrats need to defend Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. All of whom elected Democrats in 2012 with the help of Obama turning out Democrats for his reelection. The goal for the Senate in 2018 is to avoid giving the Republicans 60 seats.
03-12-2017 , 02:52 AM
Was surprised to see this op-ed on Courthouse News Service, which covers things like recent case filings.

Carnivorous Sheep
ROBERT KAHN
March 10, 2017

"After 36 years of cowardice, Democrats are yammering — no, whimpering — that the voters who elected Trump are not to blame for our national disaster. That if we appeal to them, millions of morons might be lifted away from their slavish truculence and led toward the light, lashed by the whips and scorns of reality. Nothing could be more ridiculous.

Trump is the apotheosis of the inferior, resentful man. He represents — if a sociopath can be said to represent anything — people who are even stupider and more resentful than he is.

Trump, like the German corporal, intuitively understands their resentment, but dare not put it into words — if he even is capable of it. He and his crew have reached the height of world power, yet they act like bitter drunks in the back of the bar, nursing their ninth beers and muttering about foreigners.

Their idea of “greatness” is to push aside supposedly inferior people, and their followers’ dream is to watch them do it, and if they dare, do it in their own neighborhood. They are, as Winston Churchill said, carnivorous sheep."....
http://www.courthousenews.com/carnivorous-sheep/
03-12-2017 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I think that the only real Russia/Trump "conspiracy" (in the sense that there is a single, coherent plot) is the obvious: Trump and/or the people around him had some amount of complicity in the Russian intervention in our election. That's probably true, and it's a powerful narrative IMO.

But the reason that Democrats have failed to lay out any narrative beyond that is because the actual story does just as much damage to the neoliberal Dems' view of the world as it does to the Republicans. Putin has engaged in maybe the greatest campaign of wealth extraction in human history, and the result is that him and his cronies are quite possibly the richest people on the planet. Various Americans have noticed this and they want in.

Democratic talking heads are hinting vaguely at the word treason while knowing that Trump & Co. have no real interest in subverting American interests to the benefit of Russia per se. The reality is not that Trump's people care about Russia, it's that they don't care about the United States. They care about capital, and there's capital in Russia. Democrats can't really hit this point too hard, because they are susceptible to the same line of attack. They can't openly condemn the willingness of Trump's people to do business with the Russians who are openly looting their country, because a cursory examination would reveal that they do the same.

I feel like the left's eye-rolling directed toward this "scandal" is a missed opportunity. The Greenwalds of the world are focusing on the fact that Dems are overreaching, but ignoring the chance to provide the leftist/Marxist explanation of all this: this is what capitalism looks like. There is no loyalty among capitalist elites to country, because to capitalist elites there are no countries. Country is for the rest of us. The oligarchs in America aren't cooperating with the oligarchs in Russia to help Russia -- neither party even cares about "Russia" in and of itself. They all pledge allegiance to the same flag.


so well said
03-12-2017 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I think that the only real Russia/Trump "conspiracy" (in the sense that there is a single, coherent plot) is the obvious: Trump and/or the people around him had some amount of complicity in the Russian intervention in our election. That's probably true, and it's a powerful narrative IMO.

But the reason that Democrats have failed to lay out any narrative beyond that is because the actual story does just as much damage to the neoliberal Dems' view of the world as it does to the Republicans. Putin has engaged in maybe the greatest campaign of wealth extraction in human history, and the result is that him and his cronies are quite possibly the richest people on the planet. Various Americans have noticed this and they want in.

Democratic talking heads are hinting vaguely at the word treason while knowing that Trump & Co. have no real interest in subverting American interests to the benefit of Russia per se. The reality is not that Trump's people care about Russia, it's that they don't care about the United States. They care about capital, and there's capital in Russia. Democrats can't really hit this point too hard, because they are susceptible to the same line of attack. They can't openly condemn the willingness of Trump's people to do business with the Russians who are openly looting their country, because a cursory examination would reveal that they do the same.

I feel like the left's eye-rolling directed toward this "scandal" is a missed opportunity. The Greenwalds of the world are focusing on the fact that Dems are overreaching, but ignoring the chance to provide the leftist/Marxist explanation of all this: this is what capitalism looks like. There is no loyalty among capitalist elites to country, because to capitalist elites there are no countries. Country is for the rest of us. The oligarchs in America aren't cooperating with the oligarchs in Russia to help Russia -- neither party even cares about "Russia" in and of itself. They all pledge allegiance to the same flag.
Stitches said it best:

NSFW

03-12-2017 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by d10
Democrats need to defend Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Hopefully they just turtle and try to defend the ones they can hold since I can't see how Indiana/West Virginia/Missouri/Montana are saved ever much less getting into North Dakota/Ohio. They might really need gaining the NV seat while defending hard on PA/FL/MI/VA/WI. Rest target house seats and state legislatures I guess. Flipping the house is tough but doable.
03-12-2017 , 03:55 AM
Is there some sentiment that Preet would have been in the position to prosecute Trump at some point? Trump has to think it's only a matter of time before he is prosecuted for some of his smoke-but-no-fire scandals. Appointing a Trump servant, someone a **** ton less independent than Preet, to the position is just another way for the orange one to dodge the law.

      
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