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03-08-2017 , 09:14 AM

#17376

Clovis8

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It's so surreal watching the US twist over healthcare when the rest of the world found the solution decades ago. Next up the right introduces a bill to fund the invention of round disks to be used for easier transport.

03-08-2017 , 09:15 AM

#17377

prana

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03-08-2017 , 09:17 AM

#17378

AllTheCheese

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He forgot "or else."

03-08-2017 , 10:06 AM

#17379

Jiggymike

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

No healthcare bill is going to work. We need to go the system almost every other country in the world has. I wonder how long it takes before it finally happens.

Would have a better chance of happening if people stopped voting for Republicans, who will never allow America to be sullied by the scourge of socialized healthcare.

03-08-2017 , 10:24 AM

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General Tsao

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Originally Posted by einbert

Why is this such an important issue to you, hornbug? It's almost like Carson was speaking directly to racist whites such as yourself and not even worried about how intelligent black men like SLJ would take his statement.

https://twitter.com/SamuelLJackson/s...57880501641216

Quote:

"And perhaps, like some of you, these new arrivals might have had some moments of doubt, wondering if they had made a mistake in leaving everything and everyone they ever knew behind. So life in America was not always easy. It wasn’t always easy for new immigrants. Certainly it wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily, and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."

Ugh Carson. So despicable. He should really be fired for these ugly, racist remarks.

No wait, that's a quote from President Obama speaking during a naturalization ceremony.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ants/98875122/

03-08-2017 , 10:30 AM

#17381

Clovis8

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These pull quote debates are so stupid. Trumps administration is filled with deplorable racists. We don't need to be shocked at every racist comment one of them makes. Racists says racist things. This is not worry of discussion every time.

03-08-2017 , 10:32 AM

#17382

fatkid

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No, he should be fired cuz he's wrong for the job and a dullard.

03-08-2017 , 10:57 AM

#17383

GTO2.0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/s...75185727873024

Gotta hand it to Trump for turning to the best people on leaks.

03-08-2017 , 11:01 AM

#17384

Victor

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

ya so?

theres a pretty big difference between those quotes.

03-08-2017 , 11:06 AM

#17385

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Shut the **** up.

03-08-2017 , 11:14 AM

#17386

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

ya so?

theres a pretty big difference between those quotes.

The quotes are so similar it actually comes close to plagiarism.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Carson

That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity,’’ he said. “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

Quote:

Originally Posted by President Obama

Certainly it wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily, and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Carson is thinking "Dammit, it'd be so much easier if I just admitted I stole that idea from Obama's speech"

03-08-2017 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

ya so?

theres a pretty big difference between those quotes.

These are the same people who are claiming Sessions didnt lie.

03-08-2017 , 11:19 AM

#17388

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Ugh Carson. So despicable. He should really be fired for these ugly, racist remarks.

No wait, that's a quote from President Obama speaking during a naturalization ceremony.

I don't think the point is about semantics, it is that being an "immigrant" is a bad thing for many Republicans/Trumpkins - ie it's an insult, or sort of "proxy" insult. For Obama, it's not a bad thing to be an immigrant so it's not the same thing at all.

You may as well look at some racist calling someone a "black ****", and defend it by saying that Obama/Crooked "Emails" Hillary also used the word "back". Completely ******ed logic it would be, but it seems that you'd go for that kind of defence.

03-08-2017 , 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

These are the same people who are claiming Sessions didnt lie.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Quote:

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in 1984, as the official language of Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.

03-08-2017 , 11:22 AM

#17390

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Obama Livid Over Trump Tweets

Gotta say, kind of naive of Obama to think he could be nice to Trump and help in the transition as much as he thought he should and not expect Trump to talk **** whenever he deems it politically expedient. What the **** did he think was going to happen? Trump would magically become Presidential and respectful? Come on, bro.

03-08-2017 , 11:25 AM

#17391

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Agreed 100%

Civil rights, drug laws, privacy.

But also, lying to Congress.

I do have a hard time imagining he'd be replaced with anyone better, but, can't go much further down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

It's two different conversations. Neither is "right", both happened.

The second quote where Sessions clearly lies is on video and can be seen on CNN if you go to their website, or even linked to in this thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHip41

These are the same people who are claiming Sessions didnt lie.

Speaking of lying?

03-08-2017 , 11:27 AM

#17392

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by DTD

Wait, so you thought Carson was insulting the slaves by comparing them to immigrants? Wat??

This is 100% about comparing slaves, who were brought here against their will and held in captivity, to immigrants.

03-08-2017 , 11:36 AM

#17393

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Originally Posted by champstark

I think that's exactly what he and many others thought, though I agree that given what we saw during the campaign and even in the weeks after the election idk why any sane person would think that.

03-08-2017 , 11:36 AM

#17394

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Taso getting his awful talking points from USA Today, lol.

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/839499768283934720

03-08-2017 , 11:37 AM

#17395

microbet

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This could be worth debating if Carson weren't an epically bad pick for the job.

The real story will be how the department is turned into a fountain of cash for Trump and his cronies.

03-08-2017 , 11:38 AM

#17396

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Yeah it's Bannon's office now. Carson is clearly an empty suit. Just another step in the direction of "dismantling the administrative state."

03-08-2017 , 11:41 AM

#17397

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Originally Posted by einbert

Taso getting his awful talking points from USA Today, lol.

Did you figure that out from me linking to it in my post, or did you do some internet sleuthing to get there?

03-08-2017 , 11:45 AM

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Forest, trees etc!!!!!

Who cares about carsons quote. He is grossly ill-equipped for his job. That is the point, not some semantics and language parsing exercise.

Sometime the left really can't help but hurt their own cause.

03-08-2017 , 11:49 AM

#17399

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I had no idea Sam Jackson spoke for 'the left'.

In the tweet it looked kind of like he was speaking for himself.

03-08-2017 , 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

I had no idea Sam Jackson spoke for 'the left'.

In the tweet it looked kind of like he was speaking for himself.

Are we really going to pretend the left didn't go nuts over that quote, now?! Rather than admit their outrage was a little bit misplaced?

You guys are amazing.

And if Samuel L Jackson doesn't speak for the left, I'm sure we can all agree that Einbert does!

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