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03-07-2017 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Does anyonr have an opinion on whether thr FBI, NSA, etc was monitoring high level Trump Campaign people before election day? There are conflicting reports on this.
Tapp, tapp, tapparoo!



Trump is full of ****. Other than that, I don't know what to believe.
03-07-2017 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
yes and yours.
Do you just want to have the last word or are you trying to say something with this?

My thesis is that organised religion is pernicious, even if your grammy happens to read her bible every night and she's a good old gall. Your thesis appears to be that your grammy reads her bible every night and she's a good old gall.

And those good old galls vote for Trump, in large part, because of religion.
03-07-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
I thought the point of Lindsay Graham's statement was that if someone had convinced a judge that there was probable cause for a crime to have occurred or will occur in the future then that would've been the scandal. The crime that Trump had/would commit, not the fact that someone had been doing surveillance on him.
Eh I think LG was basically saying get a rope for Obama.

He alluded to Watergate.
03-07-2017 , 12:52 AM


Lol, Glenn getting owned by some random dude on Twitter (read interaction/thread beginning with ^^^ tweet). Cautious "reporter" Glenn feels it is important to point out that the media is being hysterical re: Trump/Russia ties or Russia even being behind the hacks but has no problem saying he believes that the "deep state" is trying to subvert Trump. What a hack this guy is.
03-07-2017 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Do you just want to have the last word or are you trying to say something with this?

My thesis is that organised religion is pernicious, even if your grammy happens to read her bible every night and she's a good old gall. Your thesis appears to be that your grammy reads her bible every night and she's a good old gall.

And those good old galls vote for Trump, in large part, because of religion.
weird, totally different from what you originally claimed.

jk, not weird at all, should've expected it!
03-07-2017 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/03...nspiracy-trap/

Good points here--it really doesn't look like russia is gonna bring down trump and worse **** is gonna happen and get about no coverage because of it.

On the plus side, he's almost certainly not a putin puppet anymore at least politically for now.

I think we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
03-07-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
weird, totally different from what you originally claimed.

jk, not weird at all, should've expected it!
Cite, pls. How is this different from what I originally claimed?
03-07-2017 , 01:06 AM
Microbet, hate to break it to you, but Glenn no longer considers us an ally.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/06/...ng-championed/

Unfortunately we have become so crazed that we have joined the bloodthirsty team that is being mean to Putin and Glenn thinks that is terrible, and it really gives Glenn a sad that everyone is being so mean to Trump just because he wanted to be bff with Putin.
03-07-2017 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/03...nspiracy-trap/

Good points here--it really doesn't look like russia is gonna bring down trump and worse **** is gonna happen and get about no coverage because of it.

On the plus side, he's almost certainly not a putin puppet anymore at least politically for now.
I found this article to be somewhat cynical and dismissive.

Nevertheless I think the IC's goal is to put enough pressure on T***p so he folds and resigns. He's destroying government institutions in record time and they probably think Pence would be slightly better and shrouded at least in a thin veil of political sanity.

But he's a dominion theologist and it's doubtful his views are much different from Bannon's.
03-07-2017 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Microbet, hate to break it to you, but Glenn no longer considers us an ally.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/06/...ng-championed/

Unfortunately we have become so crazed that we have joined the bloodthirsty team that is being mean to Putin and Glenn thinks that is terrible, and it really gives Glenn a sad that everyone is being so mean to Trump just because he wanted to be bff with Putin.

It's obvious that you have bias against him, and opening a dialogue about this with you is probably unproductive.

Greenwald is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Democrats. He wants there to be an open investigation where all the facts can be brought out and known by all.

Do you have any evidence that he is reporting information that isn't factual? If not, you really shouldn't be calling him a hack, imo.
03-07-2017 , 01:31 AM
Now kiss
03-07-2017 , 01:35 AM
Being a hack doesn't just mean lying.

It would be like being a top research scientist but spending all your time researching that the earth actually is round.
03-07-2017 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Actually - let me ask you a different question:

Do you think it is possible to be a person who thinks rationally and is able to evaluate evidence presented to him or her, and simultaneously believe in god?
meh, I absolutely do not believe in god, but I do believe that religion is a halfway decent thing for those that do. I read the Bible from time to time, there's some good messages in there. Anything that helps give people hope or helps to pull them through a tough time I have no qualms with that.

Now, big "for profit" churches are the devil but I think a dose of the tamer christian values are a good thing.
03-07-2017 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Cite, pls. How is this different from what I originally claimed?
sometimes you can only lead a horse to water
03-07-2017 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Lol, Glenn getting owned by some random dude on Twitter (read interaction/thread beginning with ^^^ tweet). Cautious "reporter" Glenn feels it is important to point out that the media is being hysterical re: Trump/Russia ties or Russia even being behind the hacks but has no problem saying he believes that the "deep state" is trying to subvert Trump. What a hack this guy is.
Yeah, the M Night Shamalyan twist on Greenwald is that he's been a hack the whole time.
03-07-2017 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
meh, I absolutely do not believe in god, but I do believe that religion is a halfway decent thing for those that do. I read the Bible from time to time, there's some good messages in there. Anything that helps give people hope or helps to pull them through a tough time I have no qualms with that.

Now, big "for profit" churches are the devil but I think a dose of the tamer christian values are a good thing.
I was in prison for a year. I did some time in solitary. 7 days - may not seem like much, but it's a lot when you have nothing to do but push-ups, jack off, and read. I had a dictionary that I had read front-to-back. Twice. They took it away, and left me with a bible. I read the first couple of pages and decided that jacking off was more fun. All 100 hours of it.

There is nothing in the Bible worth reading. It's a fairy tale for children. Except, it seems, 60 million of them seem to read it and take it literally.

All you guys that want to see what you can do about Trump - he is a symptom, he is not the cause. Get kids interested in science. Get out of this ridiculous anti-science religiosity that pervades your country and every party. How many creationists are there in the US vs. other 1st world nations? This is the start of your problem.

Last edited by d2_e4; 03-07-2017 at 02:02 AM. Reason: clarity
03-07-2017 , 01:52 AM
My read on GG is that people with somewhat nonsensical, hypocritical (but not necessarily bad) political views in general tend to love him.
03-07-2017 , 01:54 AM
I think way too many people think that "religion" is a synonym for "morality". They're just not the same thing, and the sooner people in the US understand that, the sooner you will understand that it is possible do have discourse on topics using things like logic and rational discourse, without invoking god every other sentence.
03-07-2017 , 01:54 AM
Wow

03-07-2017 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/03...nspiracy-trap/

Good points here--it really doesn't look like russia is gonna bring down trump and worse **** is gonna happen and get about no coverage because of it.

On the plus side, he's almost certainly not a putin puppet anymore at least politically for now.
Good read. This >>> GG.
03-07-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master


Lol, Glenn getting owned by some random dude on Twitter (read interaction/thread beginning with ^^^ tweet). Cautious "reporter" Glenn feels it is important to point out that the media is being hysterical re: Trump/Russia ties or Russia even being behind the hacks but has no problem saying he believes that the "deep state" is trying to subvert Trump. What a hack this guy is.
I know very little about Glenn Greenwald but idk what you're talking about. In that exchange he said:

edit: don't know how to link a tweet properly I guess but it was "That's 2 former CIA chiefs, right before the election, pronouncing Trump a Russian asset. I've shown you a lot of evidence."

Does that sound like what you just said?
03-07-2017 , 02:13 AM
Greenwald excise sorely needed. Do your job Wookie!
03-07-2017 , 02:37 AM
He has gone for troll and provocateur to being full on trump defender. If someone posted the hot takes greenwald takes in this thread as their own almost everyone would characterize him as a dishonest trump defender.
03-07-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I was in prison for a year. I did some time in solitary. 7 days - may not seem like much, but it's a lot when you have nothing to do but push-ups, jack off, and read. I had a dictionary that I had read front-to-back. Twice. They took it away, and left me with a bible. I read the first couple of pages and decided that jacking off was more fun. All 100 hours of it.

There is nothing in the Bible worth reading. It's a fairy tale for children. Except, it seems, 60 million of them seem to read it and take it literally.

All you guys that want to see what you can do about Trump - he is a symptom, he is not the cause. Get kids interested in science. Get out of this ridiculous anti-science religiosity that pervades your country and every party. How many creationists are there in the US vs. other 1st world nations? This is the start of your problem.
You're not helping your case for clear, level-headed, rational thinking.
03-07-2017 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Wow

That is very awesome

      
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