Rest of world is just straight up laughing at us. Like, HOW IS THIS NOT AN ONION HEADLINE HOLY ****.

Fair enough. But perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule.

That's not a thing, that's not how that works

Thanks for popping in here with your stringent logic tho

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I would like to respectfully suggest that anyone who is "respectful" of someone else's religion and yet critical of their political ideals in the trump era (for lack of facts and logic) is a hypocrite.

To quote H.L. Mencken - "I respect the other fellow's politics and religion in the sense and to the extent that I respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart".

GOP ACA repeal and replace released.

Reading.

Edit: Appears pony is slow and we are discussing it in the Obamacare thread.

I would like to respectfully suggest that this is dumb. Supporting pro-choice candidates/judges now apparently means I can't be respectful towards someone who disagrees with me solely because of their religion?

Cmon man. Those are basically the only opponents to such a policy I CAN respect.

Like, I still think it is insane and not based in reality, but what is your suggestion - I start telling my grandparents how stupid christianity is for leading them to a pro-life conclusion? Always gonna respect religious beliefs.

Just to be clear, OTOH, that I will criticize the church nonstop for espousing literally the exact same views.

How often does this come up and how?!

This ****ing idiot also doesn't know what vetting means. Jesus ****ing Christ.

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Is this parody?

You're gonna have to elaborate, considering that I posed that in the form of a question.

You understand that 2 people of the same religion can have wildly different views right? Like, my grandma has been a gay marriage advocate for decades, and yet Mike Pence thinks a gay person needs shock therapy. They read the same exact bible and came to 2 wildly different conclusions.

If the church itself comes out and says "gay marriage is a sin" I absolutely will rail against them, just like my grandma would.

Sorry, gonna go ahead and keep respecting her religious beliefs.

I imagine most recent Presidents are as religious as the majority of their constituents - not very, despite putting on airs. Then there's the subset of radically religious folks to which Pence belongs, whose main connection to faith is restricting abortions and rights to gay people.

I think religion is a disease that stunts critical thinking, logic, and rational discourse. So yes, I understand that people of different religions can have two different views. I just don't care about either of them unless they have logic and a rational argument to back them up.

Edit: Or people of the same religion having different views. The point stands - whoever your imaginary friend is, you're an adult now. Act like one.

This. Anyone who denies that the US is not a semi-theocracy is delusional. Maybe this time, it's imagined, for sure, since you have a big fat liar in office. When was the last time a self-avowed atheist/agnostic (as Reagan put it - "not a citizen") was elected?

US has a big problem, and that is that the "separation of church and state" is a massive illusion. Once you fix that, the demagogues will drop off massively.

Agreed (edit - not with the "disease" sentiment)

OK this is completely different, but you WERE saying anyone who is respectful of religion while disagreeing politically is a hypocrite. guess I'm just one of those sheep who respects people's deeply held religious beliefs.

I was raised atheist but I'm gonna just GUESS that if someone was raised in a very religious household, it's not quite as easy as turning 18 and realizing that a powerful church had been lying to you about topic XYZ.

Either way, and again can't believe that I have to say this, but I will absolutely respect their religious beliefs - which is TOTALLY different than respecting the points of view put out by the churches themselves.

Edit again - For example sticking w Pence: If he comes and tells me being gay is unnatural and shock therapy is the best thing ever, what I would do is give him actual reasons about why he is wrong. What i would NOT do is go "LOL CHRISTIANS U GUYS R DUMB FK UR RELIGION!" In that sense I can both respect his religious beliefs but disagree with him politically. Don't think that makes me a hypocrite but c'est la vie!

Ah the good old "Why are we worrying about this when there are homeless veterans?"

Works for all occasions. As long as there is one homeless veteran no one else can ever be helped.

Replace where I said "religion" with "organised religion". Does that make any difference?

As to your points - you don't need to say what you say in caps there. You clearly think it anyway. Just have a think what it means when you say you "respect their religion".

My mom pulled a "whatabout victims of tornados in the Midwest", as if by helping foreign refugees we were somehow ignoring or refusing to help those people. Weird how she, a Nee Jersey resident at the time, simultaneously forgot about how Republicans voted to deny funding for Hurricane Sandy relief. I would even consider her a true believer, that type of discourse has just permeated their entire mindset when it comes to political discussion.

Not all that often. Some people are fine with it. Most don't care.

As far as what I mentioned, one incident involved guys having a religious discussion about Sunday Mass at a decidedly right-wing card game I attended, where I didn't know all the people there that well, and someone involved in the discussion asking me if I attended services, followed by them flipping out and ranting about young people "losing their way" and being "indoctrinated by college".

Another consisted of a much older guy I work with who lives very close to me asking if I and my wife would like to join some Christian organization he belonged to. I politely declined. He asked me the same thing the next 10 times he saw me. I finally stated that I wasn't Christian, or anything, and thus wouldn't be interested in attending. Started muttering to himself about non-believers and how people's lives were empty without Christ, etc. Same guy months later decided to inform the women in our office that he wouldn't go to the beach because of the bikinis there are a continuation of sin caused by the snake causing Eve to realize she was naked. I'm not making this up.

My wife's mother belongs to a Reformist Church. As far as I can tell, they're progressive and accepting of the LGBTQ community, no issues with abortion or contraception, not Trump nuts, etc. However, she persists in constantly asking people to pray or attend Church despite fully knowing that those people have no interest/are atheists/both.

Only one I could come up with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrste...#Personal_life

Thank you. I think I have prognosticated the root of your problem - this dirty atheist. QED

Lol @ anybody who is surprised at Ben Carson being a dolt.

Lol yes of course. You said "someone else's religion," not "organized religion" - again, reading the same book can result in people coming to extremely different conclusions. Hilarious to think that 1 of those is more right or wrong than the other and 1 of those people is more or less Christian/Muslim/Jewish/etc than the other person.

I respect the beliefs that they have based on their understanding of religious texts. That's what it means. Obv I don't think anything like "LOL CHRISTIANS U GUYS R DUMB FK UR RELIGION!" - that was expressed in the way it was to demonstrate how crazy such a sentiment would be. But that doesn't mean I can't think the church is a bad entity.

Sorry man I'm just not into the whole "discrimination based on ideology" thing when it comes to people's deeply held religious beliefs!

I just disagree with you completely. My opinion is pretty much this:

"LOL CHRISTIANS U GUYS R DUMB FK UR RELIGION!"

Substitute any religion you like for "CHRISTIANS".