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Originally Posted by wheatrich
meanwhile in real news
everyone's favorite guy in charge of ethics investigations Jason Chaffetz basically stated he's willing to do **** ton of investigations into the obama wiretapping claim meanwhile nothing about russia WAAF.
Clearly we need to change the way committee chairs are selected. It's an absolute trainwreck when the chairs of Oversight, Judiciary, Intelligence, etc are too partisan. We need to either up the standard for confirmation to 2/3 or to require 1/3 of the opposing party or something. I can live with the bogus Benghazi type stuff if they AT LEAST investigate their own party when it's blatantly obvious it's necessary.
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Originally Posted by truefish
Don't really care. They have no right to come in the first place. It's a privilege. So they have to wait longer. Don't care.
Just to be clear here, you understand that some of them will die, be maimed, etc while they're waiting. That doesn't bother you as a human being one iota?
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I do agree in practice, but why can't they go and visit them instead (since they can come back just fine now)?
If I was brown and Muslim, whether I had a green card or citizenship or whatever, there's no way in hell I'd voluntarily leave the states right now. It's easy to say they can come back just fine now, but that could obviously change any minute... All it takes is Trump going hardcore or a CBP agent deciding to go for it.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Look, we can do this all day. I can go into whataboutism and ask you why that people who want to kill us should have a right to just come over and do that, it's not a hill politically you want to stand on--nobody's gonna support you if an attack happens.
Allowing them in doesn't give them the right to come over and kill us. We do have pretty thorough vetting already - we should focus on improving that in an efficient way if people are worried, not doing extreme stuff that actually makes us less safe. I do agree that it's not a hill we want to stand on politically. We need to win other battles to regain power and then implement the right strategy. Win on jobs and the economy, execute on everything of course.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
You're gonna have to make a concession somewhere and this one has too much downside to fight now and it's not that far off obama's that none of you gave a **** about. Before I get yelled at--I don't like it either but it's not a battle that can be won politically with americans right now.
I would argue it's pretty far off from Obama's. Winning this battle is getting the EO to be as narrow as possible through the courts and public pressure.