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03-06-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
The United States is a party to the Protocol of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees. The President may set a figure for refugee admissions each year. In 2016 it was 85,000.
So... the president may set a lower limit. What's your point?
03-06-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
No. Never give up. Never surrender.
Sun Tzu doesn't agree. Not a lawyer but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and his advisors are hoping this is fought in court.
03-06-2017 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
A little of all of what you said. 2 years as a contracter I did not live on a compound. I and many others lived in a Saudi community. The Islamist culture does not mesh with western civilization. Period... some will tolerate of course but the majority do not. Go there and SJW, see how much you will be loved.

Most on this thread have zero experience with the Islamic world. They sit behind the keyboard and feel good about themselves. Take a trip to Syria, Somalia or Saudi Arabia. Might enlighten you.
I think we've all been to America, and we are talking about how refugees "mesh" in America.
03-06-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Csaba
I spent a month backpacking around Indonesia, which is 87% Muslim apparently. A fantastic country full of lovely people. I plan to go back many more times.
Indonesia? Try Somalia or Yemen. Indonesia lmfao! 1 month! Lmfao!! Good for you you world warrior!
03-06-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Sun Tzu doesn't agree. Not a lawyer but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and his advisors are hoping this is fought in court.
We definitely shouldn't do anything Trump wants us to do. Great logic from The Master, as always.

Well done.
03-06-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
I think we've all been to America, and we are talking about how refugees "mesh" in America.
Most don't. Too much a cultural difference. Just the way it is...
03-06-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Have any of you people ever been to an Islamic country? I've spent years in them. Islamic/Muslim ideology does not mesh with western civilization. I'm not talking about the moderate Muslim who is born in the west. People from the Middle East is who I am talking about. I think the vetting process should be 5 years. Any disciplined scum bag that intends to do harm on the USA can behave for a year or two.

A nation of immigrants argument again? Get off it.
This is paranoid racist drivel.
03-06-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Indonesia? Try Somalia or Yemen. Indonesia lmfao! 1 month! Lmfao!! Good for you you world warrior!
As always, there are no moderate Muslims because none that don't conform to your stereotypes count.
03-06-2017 , 03:46 PM
Need a passport for Canada now. Been that way for a few years now.
03-06-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark


You get one guess how long it is before today's ban takes effect.
And Trump essentially destroyed his own narrative by waiting to reinstate the ban so that the press had a while to bask in his Joint Session glory a bit longer.
03-06-2017 , 03:47 PM
I love this quote by Letterman.

Who the **** are you to throw a log in the road of somebody who has a different set of difficulties in life?

http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/david...versation.html
03-06-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
So... the president may set a lower limit. What's your point?
My point is that you are lying about the legal obligations of the United States.
03-06-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Most don't. Too much a cultural difference. Just the way it is...
But I've been to America. Have you? Obviously not, since you're so wrong about it.
03-06-2017 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
meanwhile in real news

everyone's favorite guy in charge of ethics investigations Jason Chaffetz basically stated he's willing to do **** ton of investigations into the obama wiretapping claim meanwhile nothing about russia WAAF.
Clearly we need to change the way committee chairs are selected. It's an absolute trainwreck when the chairs of Oversight, Judiciary, Intelligence, etc are too partisan. We need to either up the standard for confirmation to 2/3 or to require 1/3 of the opposing party or something. I can live with the bogus Benghazi type stuff if they AT LEAST investigate their own party when it's blatantly obvious it's necessary.

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Originally Posted by truefish
Don't really care. They have no right to come in the first place. It's a privilege. So they have to wait longer. Don't care.
Just to be clear here, you understand that some of them will die, be maimed, etc while they're waiting. That doesn't bother you as a human being one iota?

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I do agree in practice, but why can't they go and visit them instead (since they can come back just fine now)?
If I was brown and Muslim, whether I had a green card or citizenship or whatever, there's no way in hell I'd voluntarily leave the states right now. It's easy to say they can come back just fine now, but that could obviously change any minute... All it takes is Trump going hardcore or a CBP agent deciding to go for it.

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Look, we can do this all day. I can go into whataboutism and ask you why that people who want to kill us should have a right to just come over and do that, it's not a hill politically you want to stand on--nobody's gonna support you if an attack happens.
Allowing them in doesn't give them the right to come over and kill us. We do have pretty thorough vetting already - we should focus on improving that in an efficient way if people are worried, not doing extreme stuff that actually makes us less safe. I do agree that it's not a hill we want to stand on politically. We need to win other battles to regain power and then implement the right strategy. Win on jobs and the economy, execute on everything of course.

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
You're gonna have to make a concession somewhere and this one has too much downside to fight now and it's not that far off obama's that none of you gave a **** about. Before I get yelled at--I don't like it either but it's not a battle that can be won politically with americans right now.
I would argue it's pretty far off from Obama's. Winning this battle is getting the EO to be as narrow as possible through the courts and public pressure.
03-06-2017 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
As always, there are no moderate Muslims because none that don't conform to your stereotypes count.
I didn't say that. I think it's funny how this individual makes his opinion based on a 1 month backbacking tour through no doubt a tourist friendly area of Indonesia. Indonesia?! Lol!

Where have you gone Wookie? Ever been to an Islamic country? Seen some chop square?
03-06-2017 , 03:50 PM
Hi truefish,

I spent 6 weeks living in the heart of Yemen and traveled all over the country. The people there were incredible and loving and encapsulated "Western values" better than you could ever hope to.
03-06-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Clearly we need to change the way committee chairs are selected. It's an absolute trainwreck when the chairs of Oversight, Judiciary, Intelligence, etc are too partisan. We need to either up the standard for confirmation to 2/3 or to require 1/3 of the opposing party or something. I can live with the bogus Benghazi type stuff if they AT LEAST investigate their own party when it's blatantly obvious it's necessary.



Just to be clear here, you understand that some of them will die, be maimed, etc while they're waiting. That doesn't bother you as a human being one iota?



If I was brown and Muslim, whether I had a green card or citizenship or whatever, there's no way in hell I'd voluntarily leave the states right now. It's easy to say they can come back just fine now, but that could obviously change any minute... All it takes is Trump going hardcore or a CBP agent deciding to go for it.



Allowing them in doesn't give them the right to come over and kill us. We do have pretty thorough vetting already - we should focus on improving that in an efficient way if people are worried, not doing extreme stuff that actually makes us less safe. I do agree that it's not a hill we want to stand on politically. We need to win other battles to regain power and then implement the right strategy. Win on jobs and the economy, execute on everything of course.



I would argue it's pretty far off from Obama's. Winning this battle is getting the EO to be as narrow as possible through the courts and public pressure.

What bothers me more is the sight of VA hospitals.
03-06-2017 , 03:54 PM
Hi truefish,

I was living in Palestine when we got Osama bin Laden. I remember talking to a college-aged Muslim man in a restaurant who was so happy that he almost cried. All he wanted was for people around the world to know how much Muslims detested bin Laden and just wanted peace.
03-06-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Didn't Carson himself say he wasn't qualified for the job? So why take it?
That was when he as being floated for Surgeon General.

For some reason he didn't think being a neurosurgeon prepared him in any way to be Surgeon General but somehow prepared him for HUD.
03-06-2017 , 03:58 PM
Can we ban this guy now ffs? Clearly he has no interest in actually talking to anyone and is a pure troll.
03-06-2017 , 03:59 PM
Hi trufish,

I have not yet had the good fortune to visit a Muslim majority nation yet, but I would like to someday. My wife was born in Saudi Arabia, however.
03-06-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
At what point do you people who keep responding to truefish think he's going to "get it?"
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03-06-2017 , 04:04 PM
Shaking my head at Ben Carson

03-06-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
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I don't think anyone thinks they're going to break through truefish's wall of ignorance, there's just an urge to push back against obviously wrong facts lest they go through unchallenged.
03-06-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Can we ban this guy now ffs? Clearly he has no interest in actually talking to anyone and is a pure troll.
Now, now. The concerned citizen just wants to find out who has spent time in Syria, Saudi Arabia, or Somalia, spent time with Islamists while in one of those three countries, was there for a time period of somewhere between 43 days to 2 years (adjusted as needed to disqualify whatever personal anecdotes were provided), and was not there on 'holiday.'

      
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