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03-06-2017 , 03:01 PM

#16951

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

I believe this is only true for states. They certainly can take a passport.

Only if very specific conditions are met (like falsifying information on your passport application) and I believe a hearing is still required and the government has to show its reasons for revoking a passport.

Regardless, can't you travel to Canada without a passport? I'm pretty sure you have to have something more than a driver's license, but I don't think a passport is technically required.

The point remains that, I believe, it is illegal to prevent a U.S. citizen from reentering the country, which is what's in question here.

03-06-2017 , 03:02 PM

#16952

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

Trump's travel ban attempts remind me of the classic racist-on-an-internet-forum conundrum; the guy who spends all their time floating trial balloons about which racist things they can and can't say without being called racist.

"OK, fine, you say say I can't say Obama is actually Kenyan; I guess the PC police call that racist these days. Can we at least question the veracity of his birth certificate? I'm not even saying which kind of Pretend American he is. It could be that his parents unholy race-traitor miscegenation promoted confusion and they simply forged the birth certificate due to panic, completely well meaning!"

This must work in some environments or whatever because the practitioners always seem to assume the spirit of compromise compels you to let them continue uninterrupted.

It works through sheer exhaustion of the opposition and making them say "**** this guy I just don't want to talk to him. I'm gonna go over here now." Look at wheatrich's response. It's totally understandable for him to think that way "we have to give up something" but no, we actually don't. What you described above is exactly what's going on.

03-06-2017 , 03:07 PM

#16953

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Spice man presser audio-only (nice try to hide, bro)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhF4iDrtRFI

03-06-2017 , 03:08 PM

#16954

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Yo maybe this should be sticked, but I keep seeing his posts in this thread:

John Schlinder has no credibility, he's a total publicity hound, he used to post the same darkly conspiratorial **** about Obama and liberals laughed at him, now he's going after Trump and people are RTing him like crazy.

This also applies to Louise Mensch.

Completely disregard anything either of those two people say, they're just doing this **** for clicks. If they aren't completely making their **** up, they are taking unsourced anon DMs as gospel.

To a lesser extent, these are actual reporters, but bad ones, so anything anti-Trump they post should be viewed extremely skeptically:

Sarah Kendzior
Kurt Eichenwald
Shaun King

what did Eichenwald do? I must have missed it

03-06-2017 , 03:09 PM

#16955

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

I do agree in practice, but why can't they go and visit them instead (since they can come back just fine now)? Look, we can do this all day. I can go into whataboutism and ask you why that people who want to kill us should have a right to just come over and do that, it's not a hill politically you want to stand on--nobody's gonna support you if an attack happens.

The new EO appears to have eliminated most of the initial problems as seen here by everyone's favorite fox news.

You're gonna have to make a concession somewhere and this one has too much downside to fight now and it's not that far off obama's that none of you gave a **** about. Before I get yelled at--I don't like it either but it's not a battle that can be won politically with americans right now.

No. Never give up. Never surrender.

03-06-2017 , 03:09 PM

#16956

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

The new EO appears to have eliminated most of the initial problems as seen here by everyone's favorite fox news.

Sooooooooooo many bad guys are going to sneak in during those 10 days.

03-06-2017 , 03:10 PM

#16957

TrollyWantACracker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Csaba

I spent a month backpacking around Indonesia, which is 87% Muslim apparently. A fantastic country full of lovely people. I plan to go back many more times.

Lol at these dudes being authentic Muslims. Indonesians are like the Subway sandwiches of Islam. If you want the Real Deal you have to visit your local Yemeni cave; it may cost more, but it's worth it.

03-06-2017 , 03:10 PM

#16958

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I asked tfish about why he was in a Muslim majority country. Dunno if he'll answer or if this post will ruin his response, but anyone want to bet against it being either military, military contractor, or working for multinational resource extractionists and that he lived in a community of mostly Westerners in a guarded enclave?

It's entirely possible that he was just lying.

03-06-2017 , 03:11 PM

#16959

TrollyWantACracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

Sooooooooooo many bad guys are going to sneak in during those 10 days.

Yes, but in their hurry they may leave their dirty bombs in the wrong pants.

03-06-2017 , 03:11 PM

#16960

Namath12

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Originally Posted by RV Life

Yea there is something odd about Louise Mensch. I started following her like a week or 2 ago. Never retweeted her or contacted her. She blocked me today for some reason. Just makes no sense. First person to have blocked me on Twitter so yay?

Lou Dobbs was the first to block me, still blocked afaik

03-06-2017 , 03:14 PM

#16961

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Unconstitutional to restrict a U.S. citizen's right to travel, so I don't know what's going on here.

It seems pretty clear the Trump administration wants to send a message to all brown people that they are not welcome in the US.

03-06-2017 , 03:17 PM

#16962

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Nevermind civil asset forfeiture, voting rights, marijuana rights, private prisons, lack of oversight on police departments, and all the other incredible problems with Jeff Sessions around the ideas of civil liberties. Remember that for a big chunk of Republicans (awval), government policy starts and ends with tax cuts. Everything else doesn't affect them personally, so why should they care? "It's all good either way guys! Voter ID, no Voter ID, let's not fight about these things!"

the thing is, they arent even gonna lower the taxes for ppl like awal. only the uber uber rich are gonna benefit. even rich ppl wont benefit.

03-06-2017 , 03:23 PM

#16963

Hamish McBagpipe

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Ben Carson just spoke to HUD. Absolutely zero content, displayed no knowledge about any policy or programs. A rehashed campaign speech.

Carson took a couple of questions where you can see he has absolutely no clue what he's talking about....

1) "I'd like to hear a little more about your plans for the Division of Fair Housing And Equal Opportunity overall and more generally how you will further civil rights while you are here at HUD."

"I'm going to watch and listen. There's always a lot of different perspectives. And when you have different perspectives etc. etc. ... my mother made us make the rules. Another question?"

2) "I'm interested in how you talk about wanting public/private partnerships. Can you talk about that?"

"I once had a summer job. Win-win situation. We can craft programs that work. Entrepreneurial spirit. USA #1."

Linked, mercifully, to near the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDTa0GCAt0w&t=26m45s

03-06-2017 , 03:24 PM

#16964

.isolated

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

the thing is, they arent even gonna lower the taxes for ppl like awal. only the wealthy are gonna benefit. even rich ppl wont benefit.

fyp

03-06-2017 , 03:25 PM

#16965

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Again, what the anti-Trump forces need is solidarity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

i'm not going to stand in solidarity with people who choose to attack the left or engage in a bunch of whataboutism in favor of going hard at trump. how could these people even claim to be on my team?

Yes.

Microbet's post is a correct post, it's just in the wrong place. It would be better located @VanJones and @aWholeBunchofBernieBros

03-06-2017 , 03:29 PM

#16966

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

bet they wish they had closed borders

03-06-2017 , 03:36 PM

#16967

truefish

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 474

Quote:

Originally Posted by PocketChads

The stats give lie to basically everything you've said here. Refugees mesh quite well and don't commit violence. The exceedingly rare terrorists are usually 2nd generation, born in US (or Europe) who believe the cards are stacked against them. It's the same as Christian terrorists, white terrorists, and gang members of all demographics. It's proven constantly throughout human history that some small subset, of the set who feel the cards are stacked against them, will turn to violence. But people like you want to blame it on something inherent. Keep arguing that it shows weakness to try to stop some of the card stacking if you want, but everybody knows you're lying or just stupid when you keep saying the violence is inherent to these groups.

The first generation of refugees is grateful to be given life.

I think Europe would disagree. It isn't a and it's not weakness. Your shame attempt is pathetic.

03-06-2017 , 03:36 PM

#16968

RV Life

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 1,935

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamish McBagpipe

Didn't Carson himself say he wasn't qualified for the job? So why take it?

03-06-2017 , 03:37 PM

#16969

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamish McBagpipe

I'm pretty sure all over the whitehouse and in the cabinet room there are signs with the word POLICY with a red circle around it and a slash through it. You can't get bogged down in policy details if you never talk about policy for anything.

03-06-2017 , 03:39 PM

#16970

Riverman

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****ing GOP dickheads in Congress are such scum.

03-06-2017 , 03:39 PM

#16971

PocketChads

guaranteed 42-10 finish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

I think Europe would disagree. It isn't a and it's not weakness. Your shame attempt is pathetic.

Lol. You think differently than statistics do, that's nice

03-06-2017 , 03:40 PM

#16972

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Don't really care. They have no right to come in the first place. It's a privilege. So they have to wait longer. Don't care.

The United States is a party to the Protocol of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees. The President may set a figure for refugee admissions each year. In 2016 it was 85,000.

03-06-2017 , 03:41 PM

#16973

PocketChads

guaranteed 42-10 finish

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Also, I don't think you're capable of shame and I wasn't trying to shame you.

03-06-2017 , 03:41 PM

#16974

truefish

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 474

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

It's entirely possible that he was just lying.

A little of all of what you said. 2 years as a contracter I did not live on a compound. I and many others lived in a Saudi community. The Islamist culture does not mesh with western civilization. Period... some will tolerate of course but the majority do not. Go there and SJW, see how much you will be loved.

Most on this thread have zero experience with the Islamic world. They sit behind the keyboard and feel good about themselves. Take a trip to Syria, Somalia or Saudi Arabia. Might enlighten you.