Don't really care. They have no right to come in the first place. It's a privilege. So they have to wait longer. Don't care.

https://twitter.com/ACLU_Mass/status/838797129137127424

It's a privilege that we dangled in front of them and made them go through 1-2 years of vetting just to yank the rug out--all because people like you don't like foreigners enough to vote in a deranged racist narcissist.

You don't care because they're not human beings to you. Imagine if your family was stuck in a refugee camp with an uncertain future - fleeing from a war the US helped create. Assuming you care about your family.

Yep. Just like the people aboard the MS St. Louis, they can **** off and die.

a nation built by immigrants now hates immigrants. Standard.

Trump is shockingly unknowledgeable about how gov't actually works. And I think that people are underestimating the extent to which his ignorance is damaging his presidency. This problem should be fixable, but for Trump, it won't be.

Trump entertains conspiracy theories in part because he isn't knowledgeable enough about gov't to understand how implausible the conspiracy theory is. There is like a 50% chance that, around noon on Saturday, Trump googled "Can the president order a wiretap without court approval." And before he did the google search, he just assumed that the president had the authority to order a wiretap of whomever he pleased. (I say 50%, because it is just as likely that Trump never bothered with the google search, and that he still believes the president has unlimited wiretapping authority.)

Guys,

Stop quoting truefish. Having him on ignore doesn't work when I can still see the vile racist garbage he's saying.

It was shocking in the debates when he didn't know how a bill becomes a law. How can it still be shocking today though?

EMAILS tho

We've pretty much always hated immigrants but eventually tolerate them once a new batch of immigrants comes along. We hated the damn filthy Irish until they were replaced by the Chinese, for example.

Don't mistake renewed nationalistic fervor as some kind of 21st century awakening.

This ideology has been going on pre-Civil War, through the entire 20th century, and now in the present.

Instead of before where these immigrants would get terrorized, now they're just being excluded.

takes citizens and green cards off this go around no? That was the biggest problem, actual citizens and green cards were ****ed.

Pres has the right to restrict travel and it's as reasonable as it's gonna get. *shrugs*

(I know it's not literally just now guys, but did he?)

It's shocking in a purely abstract, how-could-this-have-happened, sort of way. I obviously agree that his ignorance has been clearly on display ever since he announced his candidacy.

I feel like I'm living in a state of perpetual shock.

lol, not really making a strong case against Clovis here

Have any of you people ever been to an Islamic country? I've spent years in them. Islamic/Muslim ideology does not mesh with western civilization. I'm not talking about the moderate Muslim who is born in the west. People from the Middle East is who I am talking about. I think the vetting process should be 5 years. Any disciplined scum bag that intends to do harm on the USA can behave for a year or two.

A nation of immigrants argument again? Get off it.

Immigrant panics started with the founding the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

America is exceptional not because we've always kept our cool over immigration but because the anti-immigrant fervors have always eventually atrophied.

I love this Twitter account.

I continue to expect that those people will get ****ed in practice.

Why do, say, naturalized US citizens born in certain countries have no right to receive visits from friends and family overseas but others have that right?

trufish,

Just how do you think the "moderate Muslim born in the west" got there? If a refugee didn't want to be part of America, why wouldn't they pick a different destination? Why do you get to just assume that some refugee isn't going to integrate because of how other people run the government over there?

Honestly, I'm suspicious of anyone with unqualified views about Snowden in either direction. While public awareness and debate about the issue he brought up was sorely needed, his methods are fair game for discussion imo.

I totally agree we need solidarity. But I would also say that this kind of conversation about Greenwald and other topics is needed as well. This is exactly the kind of healthy debate the right doesn't have. We question and criticize our leaders and thought leaders, and that doesn't mean we throw them under the bus but we do maintain a healthy spirit of critical thought, even if something comes from say Rachel Maddow.

The stats give lie to basically everything you've said here. Refugees mesh quite well and don't commit violence. The exceedingly rare terrorists are usually 2nd generation, born in US (or Europe) who believe the cards are stacked against them. It's the same as Christian terrorists, white terrorists, and gang members of all demographics. It's proven constantly throughout human history that some small subset, of the set who feel the cards are stacked against them, will turn to violence. But people like you want to blame it on something inherent. Keep arguing that it shows weakness to try to stop some of the card stacking if you want, but everybody knows you're lying or just stupid when you keep saying the violence is inherent to these groups.

The first generation of refugees is grateful to be given life.

CP is also enamored with the "have you ever been to an Islamic country?" argument, even though none of them have ever actually been to one.