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03-06-2017 , 09:45 AM

#16826

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

No I didn't. You keep saying things as facts. Yet you have no proof.

God, these people will go out of their way to read any negative effects of their own behavior. You have to shove their face in it like a dog that's been bad. Read, awval! Read!

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/838639746096123904

03-06-2017 , 09:46 AM

#16827

Ocean2Ocean

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I've never cheerleaded Sessions. He can resign for all I care. Probably for the best IMO. NSA replacement -- McMaster was a significant upgrade after Flynn, so maybe the next AG will be an upgrade.

Trump will fire Sessions when the fire gets too hot. So keep up at it. It's obviously working.

He won't fire Sessions. Quite the opposite. He was upset that sessions didn't dig in and refuse to refuse himself. This whole administration is a **** show.

03-06-2017 , 09:48 AM

#16828

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocean2Ocean

He won't fire Sessions. Quite the opposite. He was upset that sessions didn't dig in and refuse to refuse himself. This whole administration is a **** show.

Correct.

https://twitter.com/costareports/sta...f_src=twsrctfw

https://twitter.com/costareports/sta...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

03-06-2017 , 09:49 AM

#16829

Pwn_Master

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Also, multiple people are advancing the "he's a journalist not an activist" line, and the links you cited are great counterexamples. All of them are just (painfully long) blog posts, not reporting. On a brief skim, I didn't see any original reporting in any of them. To the extent there's a meaningful difference between journalism and activism, Greenwald is writing as an activist, not a journalist at all. (Obviously reporting on Snowden was original reporting, and I thought it was good work.) His recent piece on why no one should be mean to Russia is another example; it's just a takedown of a piece of actual journalism with sources and stuff. It's perfectly fair to wonder why Greenwald's opinion pieces have such an obsessive focus on slamming Obama and HRC, undermining criticism of Russia, and likening Trump's aberrant behavior to prior admistrations' policies.

EDIT: Here's Greenwald expressing his old justification for attacking Hillary during the general: "When you’re a journalist, I think your role ought to be to be adversarial to people who wield the greatest power..." Now that Trump has the power and Hillary and Obama are both has-beens, he continues to go after them and soft-pedal his Trump criticism. *thinking emoji*

Excellent post, especially the edit.

03-06-2017 , 09:57 AM

#16830

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Go protest then.

I'm going to Barbados tomorrow.

I'm enjoying it while I can. Since the 2+2 politards tell me we have like literally days left before the nukes come flying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

And if you were a green card holder who came from one of those 7 countries, you wouldn't be allowed back in after your trip

Defend that, *******

Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I don't have to defend it.

I really don't.

You were in 100% trollface "u mad" mode when people's lives were being upended by the travel ban. Right now, dads are getting arrested dropping their kids off at school and you're reporting posts that say mean things about daddy's marriage.

03-06-2017 , 10:00 AM

#16831

weeeez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Believe me, I'll be here with you posting and protesting in the streets if I feel my privileged white heteronormative cisgendered upper-middle class life is being threatened by Trump.

you sound like the falcons so enjoy now cause 4th quarter is coming.

So these afgans blocked helped USA then they are detained for 2 days and not in yet?
feels like USA intellingence around the globe gonna take a huge hit if no one trust promess in return of help.

03-06-2017 , 10:02 AM

#16832

einbert

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I just want to reiterate a warning from someone else here. It appears @LouiseMensch is a fake news poster on twitter. Be very wary of anything coming from that account as it is likely to be completely false.

03-06-2017 , 10:06 AM

#16833

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2267

Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Look.

I disagree with the scope of the Executive Order if it includes current US permanent residents like Green Card holders.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3350

Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Just checking in from Barbados. Got here today. Very nice.

Glad DHS Secretary interpreted the EO to allow Green cards in.

Agree with the echo chamber here that the EO was very over the top. Would have preferred that it had an effective date instead of literally detaining people when they landed.

03-06-2017 , 10:08 AM

#16834

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Yup, good post. I agree that Greenwald's actual journalism has frequently been very good. And yeah, his op-ed stuff continues to be focused on the HYPOCRISY of Democrats even though they have no power anymore. He's more interested in ferreting out hypocrisy than he is in exposing actually sincerely bad hombres. I can imagine if he was around in Civil War days his articles would be all about how #actually the Founding Fathers owned slaves too and #actually racism was woven into the fabric of America. Which has exactly the same problem as his writing does now, which is that it is both true, conceded, and also irrelevant to the situation at hand. We have an ignorant fascist in the White House and you want to re-litigate Obama's drone program for the 15th time? Sweet "being adversarial to people who wield the greatest power" you got going there.

03-06-2017 , 10:15 AM

#16835

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We now break from your regularly scheduled Trump news to bring you news from Pauline Hanson, a politician here in Australia who is like a hybrid of Trump and Palin.

Quote:

In a wide-ranging interview on Insiders, Senator Hanson praised Mr Putin as patriotic, well-liked and an example of the strong leadership many voters wanted to see from their politicians.

Insiders host Barrie Cassidy questioned Senator Hanson on her public admiration for Mr Putin, citing comments she made earlier this month during one of her party's "weekly wrap-up" broadcasts on Facebook.

"I listened to a speech he gave in Parliament," Senator Hanson explained.

"Even the people here in Australia were saying, 'I wish we had a leader like that here, I wish someone would stand up and fight for this country'. That's what the people expect.

"I think he is a strong man and I think what I was reading is about 97 per cent of people in his country respect him as a leader for their nation," Senator Hanson said, citing an unspecific opinion poll.

What in the **** is the deal with these ****ing people. Jesus Christ.

The good news is Hanson has only about 10% support, around the same as Trump's favorables here. The bad news is that may allow her to hold the balance of power in state or federal upper houses. Also, the major conservative party appears to be in the process of being driven further right by her encroachment, Tea Party style.

03-06-2017 , 10:24 AM

#16836

davmcg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

We now break from your regularly scheduled Trump news to bring you news from Pauline Hanson, a politician here in Australia who is like a hybrid of Trump and Palin.

What in the **** is the deal with these ****ing people. Jesus Christ.

The good news is Hanson has only about 10% support, around the same as Trump's favorables here. The bad news is that may allow her to hold the balance of power in state or federal upper houses. Also, the major conservative party appears to be in the process of being driven further right by her encroachment, Tea Party style.

Putin's goons in UKR killed 38 Australian citizens on flight MH17.

03-06-2017 , 10:29 AM

#16837

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

This is a poker forum. Your complete lack of understanding of the basic laws of statistics and probability of unrelated events is glaring, even for a trumpkin.

but they were sooted?

03-06-2017 , 10:33 AM

#16838

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

What in the **** is the deal with these ****ing people. Jesus Christ.

I think it's akin to my point about America being full of tons of racist idiots and always has been; maybe the modern world or current circumstances are doing more to enable authoritarians and aggrandize them, or give them voice -- but they've always existed. The world just has tons of frothy idiots who, deep down, simply loathe democracy and are truly authoritarians at heart. And they love Big Strong Man Putin and how he's a great role model.

We shouldn't see democracy as normative and inherited. It's a system people operate in, sometimes against their will.

03-06-2017 , 10:34 AM

#16839

Sighsalot

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no trump tweet on monday morning. someone is SHOOK

03-06-2017 , 10:34 AM

#16840

Huehuecoyotl

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https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/stat...53744716247040

03-06-2017 , 10:46 AM

#16841

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“I learned a long time ago, I'm going to keep my eyes wide open,” Chaffetz (R-Utah) said on “CBS This Morning.” “You never know when you turn a corner what you may or may not see. But thus far I have not seen anything directly that would support what the president has said.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...haffetz-235711

03-06-2017 , 10:47 AM

#16842

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

Yeah I think that's a bit glib. I mean I see what you're saying, this Hanson woman doesn't simply love Putin because she has the brain worms and done lost her mind, she loves Putin because she sincerely loves brutal authoritarianism and he exemplifies that. We shouldn't sugar coat that fact.

At the same time, we have a lot less of those people than you do over there. I'm not saying that as a STRAYA > MURICA point scoring exercise, people are the same everywhere, the point is that cultural conditions can determine whether susceptible people do or do not turn into authority fellaters. The question of how that does or doesn't happen is the great unanswered question of politics. Certainly "don't broadcast paranoid drivel at them 24/7" seems to be part of the Australian answer, even though we invented Murdoch.

03-06-2017 , 10:48 AM

#16843

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

I think this is actually a pretty good and accurate post that both highlights Greenwald's main journalistic goal (he haaaaaates hypocrisy) and some of his flaws (he reduces it all to being equally bad, which is clearly not the case in this administration).

If all hypocrisy-based arguments disappeared from public discourse, very little would be lost. Obsessive focus on hypocrisy is a ****ing pandemic in this country.

03-06-2017 , 10:57 AM

#16844

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

This is extremely incorrect, though. Dan is a libertarian(to the extent he can be described through policy support, let's just say he ain't exactly a wonk), the only policy of Bernie he supported was "making Hillary Clinton supporters mad online".

so it is AlexM or what?

03-06-2017 , 11:02 AM

#16845

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2267

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3350

No, you voted for a guy who promised to "ban all Muslims from the United States." You knew exactly what you were getting. GMAFB.

03-06-2017 , 11:04 AM

#16846

Sighsalot

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those that have not seen the "animated conversation" in the oval office.

dont know how to embed vids, so scroll down in the link...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ow-Bannon.html

03-06-2017 , 11:09 AM

#16847

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Daily Mail itt.

03-06-2017 , 11:09 AM

#16848

poconoder

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SCOTUS action on transgender bathrooms and the new EO on immigration in the next 2 hours will make most of the chat on the wiretapping tweets go away. We are always talking the latest news in this thread and the older stuff (Sessions, the Speech before Congress) just fades away.