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03-06-2017 , 02:00 AM
I'm glad people are finally figuring out that Greenwald is a Kremlin asset. He literally spouts Kremlin talking points and propaganda. Some of it is almost word for word. Stop listening to him and Snowden both of them are Kremlin assets.
03-06-2017 , 02:04 AM
So what's the smoking gum? Russians giving money to trump? Trump paying for the emails? Compromising blackmail dirt? Tune in next week for the exciting conclusion of PEE PEE POTUS.
03-06-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
So trump hasn't even considered finding a head for the CDC while a new strain of bird flu is causing problems in china. I'm sure we'll be fine if we just pray the flu away. Only has like a 40% mortality rate!
I'm worried about the turtle flu!
03-06-2017 , 02:16 AM
Yo maybe this should be sticked, but I keep seeing his posts in this thread:

John Schlinder has no credibility, he's a total publicity hound, he used to post the same darkly conspiratorial **** about Obama and liberals laughed at him, now he's going after Trump and people are RTing him like crazy.

This also applies to Louise Mensch.

Completely disregard anything either of those two people say, they're just doing this **** for clicks. If they aren't completely making their **** up, they are taking unsourced anon DMs as gospel.

To a lesser extent, these are actual reporters, but bad ones, so anything anti-Trump they post should be viewed extremely skeptically:


Sarah Kendzior
Kurt Eichenwald
Shaun King
03-06-2017 , 02:21 AM
did I get this right? from trumper logic?

obama went through whatever hoops to wiretap trump to sabotage him because he thought hillary would win the election.

Also that instead of a seemingly far simpler option of getting the IRS to release trump's tax returns to do the same thing.

pretty sure Mensch has broken a story or two before MSM did. already knew about schindler tho, guess it makes sense how often they RT each other. Knew about the bad reporters and there's a lot of **** on twitter, just how it goes.

what if comey is stonewalling b/c he has nothing, I guess hopefully means it's not the he intentionally has nothing version. WAAF if it's seriously IC vs IC in our own goddamn whitehouse.

Last edited by wheatrich; 03-06-2017 at 02:34 AM.
03-06-2017 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I flat out disagree with torture. It's inhumane. If your job is to get a confession and you can't do it, get a new job.

It's the same w/ the death penalty. If murder is wrong, how is it legal to murder someone? That's not justice, it's revenge.
If kidnapping is wrong, how is it legal to jail someone?
03-06-2017 , 02:22 AM
Also Obama's Deep State Sabotage Squad cleverly timed all their most damaging leaks about Trump and the Russians for 3 months after the election. Masterful!
03-06-2017 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
I'm glad people are finally figuring out that Greenwald is a Kremlin asset. He literally spouts Kremlin talking points and propaganda. Some of it is almost word for word. Stop listening to him and Snowden both of them are Kremlin assets.

Provide a citation for these assertions.
03-06-2017 , 02:24 AM
Good post, ChrisV.

I find Greenwald interesting as he can get me to think about things I otherwise wouldn't, but a big part of journalism is choosing what stories to cover. Greenwald is constantly playing up stories that don't matter that much, and constantly downplaying big stories.

Like, ok, it's important to remain skeptical of the IC on the whole Trump/Russia connection. Good reminder, Glenn, thanks. But you don't need to spend 100x as much effort on that as you do like, actually trying to figure out the Trump/Russia connections, which, you know, are kind of a big deal.

Same thing happened in the campaign with the media's coverage of the Hillary's EMAIL scandal compared to its coverage of the much more egregious Trump scandals. We saw how that turned out - we've all seen the word cloud. Journalistic choices matter.
03-06-2017 , 02:30 AM
Is everyone referring specifically to articles Glenn Greenwald is publishing himself, or articles The Intercept is publishing, with other authors?

I'm starting to feel like a bad person, because I just realized I don't read The Intercept and Greenwald enough to keep up with what's being discussed here. He's proven himself to be a very good journalist, and I'm a bit surprised at some of the discussion here.

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 03-06-2017 at 02:35 AM.
03-06-2017 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by truefish
no, it's not if you're trying to give trump credit for it here, he's done nothing. No, that doesn't count.
03-06-2017 , 02:36 AM
Talk about worrying about a leaky toilet while the house is on fire, people argue about GG, perhaps driving a wedge and creating animosity with people like goofyballer and making it difficult for some Hillary type people to get excited for the next Bernie or vice versa while in our midst are people who are defending torture and obsessed with the murder rate in Chicago.

The thing about that 'whataboutism' is that's a deceitful rhetorical tactic for people who are supporting things like torture. When truefish says that the Obama administration deported a lot of people - that's BS whataboutism, because he really supports deporting people. When Noam Chomsky talks about Obama's illegal drone strikes, that's not whataboutism. He doesn't want people struck with drones by Trump or anyone else.
03-06-2017 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hired Goons2
If kidnapping is wrong, how is it legal to jail someone?
Huh? If you do a crime, you do the time. Doesn't mean you get executed for it.
03-06-2017 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hired Goons2
If kidnapping is wrong, how is it legal to jail someone?
03-06-2017 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This also applies to Louise Mensch.

Completely disregard anything either of those two people say, they're just doing this **** for clicks. If they aren't completely making their **** up, they are taking unsourced anon DMs as gospel.

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Yea there is something odd about Louise Mensch. I started following her like a week or 2 ago. Never retweeted her or contacted her. She blocked me today for some reason. Just makes no sense. First person to have blocked me on Twitter so yay?
03-06-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Pretty sure Melania could make it out of her marriage with Donald with a ton of money and opportunities. But maybe she's worried about deportation.
From what we know about Trump's tax returns, Melania would indeed get half of the -900 million
03-06-2017 , 02:48 AM
Within whatever is legal (and then some perhaps) I'm sure Trump has prenupped and gag ordered her.
03-06-2017 , 02:53 AM
I don't understand why this is so hard. It couldn't be more obvious that Trump is hiding something. If the spineless GOP would just vote to subpoena the taxes returns of Trump and his merry band of misfits this whole thing could come to a close almost immediately.

There's a very real danger that the president of the United States is not acting in the best interest of the country, but for himself and friends. How is it that we can all see that there is something very disturbing going on deep in the bowels of our government, but top government officials (even Democrats) don't seem all that concerned about it? I honestly don't get it.
03-06-2017 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I don't understand why this is so hard. It couldn't be more obvious that Trump is hiding something. If the spineless GOP would just vote to subpoena the taxes returns of Trump and his merry band of misfits this whole thing could come to a close almost immediately.

There's a very real danger that the president of the United States is not acting in the best interest of the country, but for himself and friends. How is it that we can all see that there is something very disturbing going on deep in the bowels of our government, but top government officials (even Democrats) don't seem all that concerned about it? I honestly don't get it.
Because something like 25-50% of the voters are rabid Trumpkins. If you throw Trump out, they will get crushed in the elections. Basically, the GOP is OK with what's going on as long as they keep their cushy jobs and healthcare. Gross huh?
03-06-2017 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
That piece is not remotely an anti-Trump piece. In fact, the main thrust of the article is that Trump's use of the widow for propaganda is completely normal for US presidents.

This is standard for Greenwald, who invariably uses all events, no matter how horrifying, as an opportunity to get on his high horse about hypocrisy in America. Trump botches a raid in Yemen and kills an 8 year old girl? OBAMA DRONES BAD!. Trump bans Muslims? Just a continuation of American rhetoric in the War on Terror. Conservative fake news wrecking the very foundation of public discourse? LIBERALS DO IT TOOOOOO!

If you read nothing but Greenwald since November, you would think that the media were being hysterical about Russia, but you would also not even recognise that anything out of the ordinary was going on in the office of the POTUS, because Greenwald ties everything bad Trump does back to longstanding American policy. It is, of course, great to call out hypocrisy when it occurs. But when that's what you do EVERY ARTICLE, it becomes an exercise in obfuscation, both of morality and of causality. The fake news piece is a good example; why the **** is he writing an entire article about one isolated incident rather than engaging with the real world problem? Greenwald's fans appear to think this sort of attention-seeking contrarianism is the height of intellectual discourse.
I think this is actually a pretty good and accurate post that both highlights Greenwald's main journalistic goal (he haaaaaates hypocrisy) and some of his flaws (he reduces it all to being equally bad, which is clearly not the case in this administration).

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Originally Posted by einbert
Yes which reads incredibly similar to this (the main tactic of most TrumpBots on the forum these days):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
I'm glad people are finally figuring out that Greenwald is a Kremlin asset. He literally spouts Kremlin talking points and propaganda. Some of it is almost word for word. Stop listening to him and Snowden both of them are Kremlin assets.
But these are not.
03-06-2017 , 03:27 AM
Like, all these "he's a Russian useful idiot" or whatever posts are completely missing the point - it's not that he has any fondness or ****s for Putin, it's that he was into Rage Against the Machine before they were ever signed to a label and he detests all the bandwagon fans who got on after they were popular, which makes him both correct and (to some) insufferable.
03-06-2017 , 03:27 AM
One among a myriad of scandals that Trump has been involved in, but there's a big fancy hotel in the middle of a crappy neighborhood in Azerbaijan which never opened. It's one of the most corrupt countries in the world, the deal involved the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and hopefully Trump broke some laws.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-worst-deal

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There is no evidence has surfaced showing that Donald Trump, or any of his employees involved in the Baku deal, actively participated in bribery, money laundering, or other illegal behavior. But the Trump Organization may have broken the law in its work with the Mammadov family. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, passed in 1977, forbade American companies from participating in a scheme to reward a foreign government official in exchange for material benefit or preferential treatment. The law even made it a crime for an American company to unknowingly benefit from a partner’s corruption if it could have discovered illicit activity but avoided doing so. This closed what was known as the “head in the sand” loophole.
edit: I don't recall exactly what it was, but one of the things I saw somewhere was the Trump admin eliminating some anti-corruption in foreign countries law.
03-06-2017 , 03:36 AM
Goofy,

It's true that the state does abhorrent things and it's true that leaving it unchecked is exactly what made Trump possible.

It's just that warping it into a narrative of "business as usual" is completely ****ed up.
03-06-2017 , 03:42 AM
Something history something something doomed

coughCHILEcough

Bro the democratic party nominee was PRAISING KISSINGER!

The world needs more Greenwald's, not less. Take some heat.

      
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