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03-05-2017 , 08:16 PM

#16626

markksman

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We all know a future Attorney General's primary responsibility is global diplomacy.

03-05-2017 , 08:17 PM

#16627

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Jesus awval have some self-respect, being brought to tears that someone reported a second- or third-hand story about Melania wanting a divorce. And then acting like Trump accusing Obama of illegal wiretaps without a shred of proof is no big deal.

03-05-2017 , 08:19 PM

#16628

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Originally Posted by jman220

I think this would be a good time to explain how a wiretap actually works, as a prosecutor who has actually done wiretaps, because if you understand how a wiretap is done you understand how ****ing ludicrous trump's claim is and how every republican congressperson who has ever been a prosecutor or defense attorney knows its ludicrous:

Wiretaps are not done like in spy movies where somebody physically goes to someone's house (or in this case trump tower) and places some kind of "bug." A wiretap is done by a prosecutor, either state or federal, pursuing a legal application pursuant to 28 USC 2703 and some other federal and state statutes (depending on whether its a state prosecutor or a federal prosecutor), wherein the prosecutor presents an application to a judge that there is essentially probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, that evidence of the crime will be discovered by monitoring communications, that it can be done narrowly, and a few other odds and ends that I am leaving out for brevity. Once that application is approved by a judge, the prosecutor then sends the signed wiretap/trap & trace order to the phone company and the phone company installs a device on their line to allow the law enforcement agency to monitor the communications. . So the idea that Obama himself, somehow "tapped" Trump's phones is ****ing ludicrous, it's simply not how it works.

How does it work on the phone company's part? Does someone have to physically go to the phone being monitored or can it be done by a supervisor from the office? Would the person actually doing it know whom is being monitored? I can't imagine Sal the repairman from AT&T showing up and being like "Hi Mr. Trump, I'm here to "fix" your phone."

It's hilarious that Trump probably thinks someone sneaked into his office 007 style. Nefarious! Sad!

03-05-2017 , 08:23 PM

#16629

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On another forum I'm on with tons of trump supporters one trump guy is crying "who were we supposed to vote for when the two choices were the worst of the worst."

That makes me amuse-cry because while both candidates were bad, Trump was streets ahead worse.

03-05-2017 , 08:24 PM

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https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/sta...36319924068352

03-05-2017 , 08:26 PM

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Jeff Sessions lied to the Senate on issues relating directly to matters of national security. He didn't clarify his testimony when he had weeks to do so, until reporting came out showing he had lied under oath. He must resign as Attorney General immediately. The top law enforcement officer in the country must be held to a basic standard of ethics.

03-05-2017 , 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RV Life

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The way it works is that a carrier taps into a digital switch at its central offices or at an aggregation point and programs in what number will be traced or what calls will be intercepted.

Once the information is gathered, it is sent via a private link paid for by law enforcement to the agency that requested it. That could be the FBI or another federal law enforcement agency, such as the Drug Enforcement Agency or Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.netwo...ines-.amp.html

03-05-2017 , 08:28 PM

#16633

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The fact this stuff is going down on a Sunday night is insanity.

03-05-2017 , 08:28 PM

#16634

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

That's what he's saying, the actual "tap" is done on a computer at the phone company, not on the actual phone Trump is using.

Last edited by kerowo; 03-05-2017 at 08:28 PM. Reason: Pony waiting for FISA warrant...

03-05-2017 , 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RV Life

It's done at the phone company, it's not done at the location where the phone is located. Law enforcement then monitors the line with equipment that works with the phone companies equipment installed at the phone company. If there were lines in Trump Tower that were the subject of a wiretap, nothing was physically installed at Trump Tower or anywhere near it. Maybe it was different back in the 80's with different technology, but that is how it works now.

03-05-2017 , 08:29 PM

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Was Team Trump not even smart enough to use a second cell phone/alternate line for their treasonous communications?

03-05-2017 , 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

Yea, thanks. It's interesting how it works.

03-05-2017 , 08:32 PM

#16638

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I watched The Wire - even I know that if you are going to do something illegal, you pay cash for a burner phone.

03-05-2017 , 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

Was Team Trump not even smart enough to use a second cell phone/alternate line for their treasonous communications?

You can do "piggyback" warrants/applications when doing a wiretap. That's common, usually you end up monitoring more than one number after a tap starts when you learn that your target is using more than one phone. Each one has to be signed by a judge on an application from a prosecutor.

03-05-2017 , 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Was Team Trump not even smart enough to use a second cell phone/alternate line for their treasonous communications?

Well the surveillance ostensibly was on Russia which would make it irrelevant

03-05-2017 , 08:34 PM

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From the letter: "...tapp [sic]..."

03-05-2017 , 08:34 PM

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With drug prices skyrocketing in the United States, investor groups last year filed shareholder resolutions with 13 drug companies that — if passed — would force their boards to more meticulously detail their price increases for major medicines, and to provide “the rationale and criteria used for these price increases.” Days after Trump met with pharmaceutical industry CEOs at the White House, the Securities and Exchange Commission endorsed drug companies’ moves to block the resolutions from being voted on by shareholders at their annual meetings. The SEC move followed Trump promoting Republican SEC commissioner Michael Piwowar to serve as acting chairman of the agency.

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The SEC win for the pharmaceutical industry represents the latest victory for an industry that has been ramping up efforts to stop governments from taking action to lower — or force more disclosure about — drug pricing. Last month, federal lawmakers from both parties helped the industry block Senate legislation to let Americans purchase lower-priced FDA-approved medicines from Canada. Meanwhile, in the last two years, drug companies have been largely successful in their fight against a barrage of price transparency bills. Such legislation has been stymied in all but one state, Vermont.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...egulators-help

03-05-2017 , 08:35 PM

#16643

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Originally Posted by einbert

Was Team Trump not even smart enough to use a second cell phone/alternate line for their treasonous communications?

I suspect the whole lot of them felt they were beyond suspicion and nobody would ever find out what they did. I think a big part of that insane hubris is a combination of no government experience and buying into all the right wing conspiracies where the top ranks of the US government has been involved in global conspiracies for hundreds of years.

Because they believed these conspiracies that nobody was ever caught being involved in they figured it must be easy peasy to get away with their own conspiracy.

03-05-2017 , 08:38 PM

#16644

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...egulators-help

That Trump about face was still one of the most amazing. He was screaming that prescription drug prices must come down literally up to his meeting with the pharmaceutical companies and then after the meeting essentially said "Never mind".

03-05-2017 , 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

I think the phone company would never have had to go inside someone's house. It's their switchboard/routing equipment somewhere outside the house/apartment regardless of the technology.

03-05-2017 , 08:41 PM

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Nobody knew this, but it turns out that it's complicated.

03-05-2017 , 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

From the letter: "...tapp [sic]..."

Ok, this was all worth it

03-05-2017 , 08:43 PM

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03-05-2017 , 08:46 PM

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amazing ^

03-05-2017 , 08:51 PM

#16650

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ect-claim.html

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Trump claimed in a series of tweets without evidence Saturday that his predecessor had tried to undermine him by tapping the telephones at Trump Tower, the New York skyscraper where Trump based his campaign and transition operations, and maintains a home.

The rest of the article makes it clear that even Fox News thinks he's full of **** and appears to be calling him out on it. He loses Fox News and he's done, not enough olds read breitbart to make up for it.

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