I understand the point you're making. The point I'm making is that yet again, noted liberal Dan is very against Obama/Clinton, but when Trump is doing those as dangerous/worse, we have to wring even the slightest comment out of you.

The latter is true. The former is not.

Your reference to unsecured wifi and whatnot had zero to do with my post just stating that I assume everyone is being spied on to different degrees, and that the Obama administration spied on the communications of a head of state of an ally country.

Your attack on me has nothing to do with my post that prompted your reply.

Yeah I think several people here noted trump's Saturday morning tweets had the feeling of a desperate drowning man.

They simply don't have 50 votes in the Senate to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Tired of hearing the phrase deep state thrown around out there in the internet verse.

The only reason a "deep state" of IC unified against trump exists is because trump called them all nazis and kept pissing them off. Dip**** did it to himself.

"Deep state" just sounds like just another typical scary-sounding buzzphrase radio shows use to appeal to simpletons who don't really understand the political process but want to feel like they do. That's really the idea isn't it? Make some dumbass feel like they're able to see through the conspiracy and he's hooked for life and will tune in every day, maybe buy some water purifiers from you or whatever

Not sure if that's where it comes from or if it was lifted from something else but I have been hearing it a lot he last month or so.

Read the comments in the FB link I posted. They literally think Comey has been in cahoots with Obama since before the election. It's insanity.

...or maybe they think his connections to Russia have him compromised and indebted to a hostile foreign power? I mean, I know we're all supposed to be super cynical about everything government-related, but there are a fair number of people who are honestly trying to do their job for all the right reasons.

What do you think is going to happen when tens of millions of people lose their HC? Sick people still have to be treated. So when they go to the hospital, who pays it? The people that already have HC. How? Guess what happens to their premiums. They ain't gonna go down.

Somebody start the lol Comey thread

**** that guy

On the wild chance democracy survives 4 years

Bernie 2020!

Yeah I think it's Bernie, Biden or Bust in 2020. Or maybe Kander. Hopefully he runs for House rep in 2018.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder...VvE#.norR2rxE0

i believe this. we know for a fact that a faction within the fbi is hyperpartisan right wing and close friends with rudy giuliani. if the director kept shtum and it leaked out, it would look bad. well, it would have looked bad before this trump disaster

If that's the standard for what's allowed in this thread then we shouldn't allow any tweets from trump or from any of his staff.

Will the fbi faction that was actively trying to torpedo Hillary now turn on Trump or on Comey?

As inexplicable as Comey's actions were right before the election, and I do think it was probably enough to swing the election, I'm glad Trump can't appoint his own FBI director. At least not without running comey out of office, which now would be another enormous scandal.

We need a special prosecutor. This is all too big and Congress is too tainted. There has to be a special prosecutor immediately.

I think this would be a good time to explain how a wiretap actually works, as a prosecutor who has actually done wiretaps, because if you understand how a wiretap is done you understand how ****ing ludicrous trump's claim is and how every republican congressperson who has ever been a prosecutor or defense attorney knows its ludicrous:

Wiretaps are not done like in spy movies where somebody physically goes to someone's house (or in this case trump tower) and places some kind of "bug." A wiretap is done by a prosecutor, either state or federal, pursuing a legal application pursuant to 28 USC 2703 and some other federal and state statutes (depending on whether its a state prosecutor or a federal prosecutor), wherein the prosecutor presents an application to a judge that there is essentially probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, that evidence of the crime will be discovered by monitoring communications, that it can be done narrowly, and a few other odds and ends that I am leaving out for brevity. Once that application is approved by a judge, the prosecutor then sends the signed wiretap/trap & trace order to the phone company and the phone company installs a device on their line to allow the law enforcement agency to monitor the communications. . So the idea that Obama himself, somehow "tapped" Trump's phones is ****ing ludicrous, it's simply not how it works.

And Trump's supporters are turning the fabric of national security into conspiracy

WAAF

well, maybe being fbi guys, after the election and after hearing about the trump team being investigated and all these leaks about connections, i'd think their fbi patriotic instincts would kick in and if not support investigations be reasonable about allowing them to go on. but then i remember they read clinton cash and were VERY fired up about it so it's possible they read brightbart daily like jeff sessions does, so who knows who these people are.

I've completely lost faith that 95+% of elected officials, non-elected govt employees, or the country in general have "patriotic instincts". Any that may have existed have been completely supplanted by tribal mysideism.

Patriotism is partisanship

Rubio seemed pretty reasonable just now