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03-05-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Trump saying whatever on Twitter is an actual topic to discuss. Whether they are lies or not.

A poster making an unsubstantiated claim/conspiracy theory isn't allowed per Rule 3 of the Sticky on the front page.

This is Politics Alpha, no? If I wanted to discuss horse**** I would go to chezland.
What exactly is the conspiracy theory? .
03-05-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Trump saying whatever on Twitter is an actual topic to discuss. Whether they are lies or not.

A poster making an unsubstantiated claim/conspiracy theory isn't allowed per Rule 3 of the Sticky on the front page.

This is Politics Alpha, no? If I wanted to discuss horse**** I would go to chezland.
Unsubstantiated? Do you know the personal relationships he has with people? Can you provide sources to refute his claims? Welcome to Trump's America. Maybe if you don't like it do something about it.
03-05-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
What is unsubstantiated about those claims? Just the divorce thing, really.
The rest of it has been corroborated over and over again.
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
I have an interesting story for you all -

My girlfriends father is a very wealthy real estate developer in New York - if I had to guess - his net worth is somewhere around $100-$200 million - hes wealthy enough that he has a private jet. He knows Trump (think he met him a couple of times) and also is friends with a couple of his friends. Anyways, we were having dinner and he told me a couple things about Trump.

First off, apparently on election night Trump was almost positive he was going to lose, like everyone in his camp was resigned to the fact that they were going to lose - it came to a complete shock to them that he won - OK this isnt all that shocking or interesting.


The second thing he told me, which I thought was kind of interesting: prior to Trump winning the election, Melania had all of the divorce papers ready to be signed - she was literally ready to pull the trigger the day after the election. Everything that came out about Trump, pussy grabbing etc.. it was the first time she was hearing about it. Of course he won the election, and she couldnt divorce him because thats political suicide. This is the reason why she stays in New York with their son Barron. It's not because of Barons school, like Trump wants you to believe - it's because Melania cant stand being around Trump. She will not, unless absolutely necessary, step foot inside the white house or be near him.
Look I realize that the vast majority of you hate Trump. Whatever. I come here for the intelligent discourse, even if it has a liberal bias.

But the fact that some of you act like a bunch of DailyKos mouth-breathers needs to be called out.
03-05-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Unsubstantiated? Do you know the personal relationships he has with people? Can you provide sources to refute his claims? Welcome to Trump's America. Maybe if you don't like it do something about it.
I did, I reported the post.

I don't have to provide sources to refute his claims.

But, if you watch the President's inauguration you can see her smile when he takes the Oath. She obviously loves and respects him. Even if it's clear they have a non-traditional marriage.

And whether you like it or not, Trump is President. No matter how many conspiracy theories get discussed in this thread.
03-05-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
No offense, but this story is an asinine conspiracy theory and really has no place here.
You don't understand what 'conspiracy theory' means. You can say it's a rumor and that either LimpDitka or his or her girlfriend's rich father is a liar though.

LimpDitka,

Congrats and she sounds like good marriage material.
03-05-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Look I realize that the vast majority of you hate Trump. Whatever. I come here for the intelligent discourse...
You've admitted several times that you're here to rustle jimmies and troll people.
03-05-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You've admitted several times that you're here to rustle jimmies and troll people.
I think that's you.

Because you won't find of post of me saying that.
03-05-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Look I realize that the vast majority of you hate Trump. Whatever. I come here for the intelligent discourse, even if it has a liberal bias.

But the fact that some of you act like a bunch of DailyKos mouth-breathers needs to be called out.
That was calling people out?
03-05-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You don't understand what 'conspiracy theory' means. You can say it's a rumor and that either LimpDitka or his or her girlfriend's rich father is a liar though.

LimpDitka,

Congrats and she sounds like good marriage material.
Fair enough, then it's a claim of fact that cannot be verified at all.
03-05-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
That was calling people out?
I called out the claims of facts that cannot be verified at all which have no place in this forum.
03-05-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I did, I reported the post.

I don't have to provide sources to refute his claims.

But, if you watch the President's inauguration you can see her smile when he takes the Oath. She obviously loves and respects him. Even if it's clear they have a non-traditional marriage.

And whether you like it or not, Trump is President. No matter how many conspiracy theories get discussed in this thread.
What? You're citing the way she looked at the inauguration as a sign that she loves and respects him? Jeezus.

Also, you are wrong about the look of love. But, that's theoretically within the realm of what kind of a read a person is capable of even though she was in a spot where she was absolutely forced to smile. But, RESPECT? You read respect from her smile? No. That's you projecting your hero worship. Trump must be respected because he's a STRONG MAN.
03-05-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Fair enough, then it's a claim of fact that cannot be verified at all.
Like Obama wire tapping Trump Tower? Sourced just as much.
03-05-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I did, I reported the post.

I don't have to provide sources to refute his claims.

But, if you watch the President's inauguration you can see her smile when he takes the Oath. She obviously loves and respects him. Even if it's clear they have a non-traditional marriage.

And whether you like it or not, Trump is President. No matter how many conspiracy theories get discussed in this thread.
A non traditional marriage? She smiled when he took oath? WOWWWWW. I smile when it's the polite thing to do too. Their body language around each other is a joke for a married couple bro.

Your statement they are obviously in love is unsubstantiated. Show a source before I report it smh
03-05-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I called out the claims of facts that cannot be verified at all which have no place in this forum.
Am I to ban Zikzak for claiming his own version of Irish heritage since it wasn't accompanied by a citation?
03-05-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I called out the claims of facts that cannot be verified at all which have no place in this forum.
You called it a conspiracy theory, which you have to admit was idiotic. And I doubt LimpDitka feels called out since you just made an idiotic reply to his post.
03-05-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
What? You're citing the way she looked at the inauguration as a sign that she loves and respects him? Jeezus.

Also, you are wrong about the look of love. But, that's theoretically within the realm of what kind of a read a person is capable of even though she was in a spot where she was absolutely forced to smile. But, RESPECT? You read respect from her smile? No. That's you projecting your hero worship. Trump must be respected because he's a STRONG MAN.
I'm pretty sure even Trump doesn't respect Trump.
03-05-2017 , 05:13 PM
Patrons Walk Out As Ala. Official Pushes Voter ID At Selma Anniversary Service
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...ampaign=buffer
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After Alabama’s Secretary of State John Merrill promoted the state's voter ID law at a church service held Sunday to commemorate the anniversary of a civil rights milestone in Selma, patrons walked out.

The service at Brown Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Alabama was held to commemorate the 52nd anniversary of the "Bloody Sunday" march that erupted in police violence on Selma's Edmund Pettus Bridge, according to a video posted to Rev. William Barber's Facebook page.

Barber, who is president of the North Carolina NAACP, and church patrons walked out after Merrill spoke in support of Alabama's voter ID law, according to the video's caption.

"We can't be polite about this. We can't be casual or cavalier," Barber told a reporter. "We have more voter suppression in recent years than we've seen since Jim Crow."

He said that Merrill's promotion of the voter ID law was "another lie."

"I don't care if you came as secretary of state, to stand up and tell another lie, to push the lie of voter ID and confuse people, normalize it, on a day when the nation is watching," Barber said. "You cannot come and stand in that pulpit and promote a voter suppression tactic and then we just sit there."

He said that "democracy is at stake."

"You cannot have a democracy where voter suppression is normalized, where people will politely let people say to them what they're doing, in their face and in their church, and it's okay," Barber said. "To respect injustice is to be a part of it."

"If you undermine voting," he added, "everything else falls apart."

In October 2015, Merrill insisted that the closure of 31 driver's license offices — many in majority black counties — would not prevent residents from obtaining the government-issued photo ID required to vote in Alabama.

Before the 2016 election, he went on to blast automatic voter registration, saying that it would "cheapen" the work of civil rights leaders.

"If you’re too sorry or lazy to get up off of your rear and to go register to vote, or to register electronically, and then to go vote, then you don’t deserve that privilege," Merrill said.

He then lashed out at criticism of Alabama's registration process and threatened to prosecute a filmmaker who described registering to vote in the state as "complex and complicated."
03-05-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Like Obama wire tapping Trump Tower? Sourced just as much.
The difference is, Trump made that claim. The President. Which of course is a political topic that can be discussed.

The other, is a random Buffalo Bills 2+2'er making an unsubstantiated rumor / claim of fact about Melania going to divorce Trump the day after the election.

Somehow I doubt, that literally the huugggest political dramabomb divorce story is going to be broken on 2+2. Yet there is a page of posts LOL'ing and quoting it as fact.

So I called it out. Someone has to break the bubble.

Let's get back to discussing the lack of legislation of the 115th Congress compared to the 111th.... You know, my actual factual post that seems to garner no discussion.
03-05-2017 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I'm pretty sure even Trump doesn't respect Trump.
He may not. Melania probably doesn't. But a lot of people like awval do.
03-05-2017 , 05:15 PM
Pretty sure a random person on the street has more credibility than 45 at this point.
03-05-2017 , 05:15 PM
Nahhhh let's keep discussing how ****ing dumb you are
03-05-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Am I to ban Zikzak for claiming his own version of Irish heritage since it wasn't accompanied by a citation?
I would say no, because Zikzak self-identifying his heritage really isn't a political topic that is being discussed.
03-05-2017 , 05:16 PM
they're so much in love trump was looking over her shoulder as to who she was voting for

he has a point tho, we shouldn't be discussing their relationship even if it seems obvious what it is to many of us. It's irrelevant.

God damn the machine is in overdrive this weekend. It's an allin bluff shove.
03-05-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
The difference is, Trump made that claim. The President. Which of course is a political topic that can be discussed.

The other, is a random Buffalo Bills 2+2'er making an unsubstantiated rumor / claim of fact about Melania going to divorce Trump the day after the election.

Somehow I doubt, that literally the huugggest political dramabomb divorce story is going to be broken on 2+2. Yet there is a page of posts LOL'ing and quoting it as fact.

So I called it out. Someone has to break the bubble.

Let's get back to discussing the lack of legislation of the 115th Congress compared to the 111th.... You know, my actual factual post that seems to garner no discussion.
How is that any different than what the real estate guy said? They are both making claims outside the forum. Why is it OK to discuss what Trump said but not the real estate guy?
03-05-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Let's get back to discussing the lack of legislation of the 115th Congress compared to the 111th.... You know, my actual factual post that seems to garner no discussion.
It's pretty obvious why isn't it. Trump's white house is dysfunctional, he's spending all his time trying to cover up his treasonous behavior, he has no working policy shop, and all the legislation the Republicans want to pass is unpopular anyway. It's going to be a slow grind getting anything through at this rate.

      
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