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03-04-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I'm not watching but presuming media fell for it again and they're not talking about sessions/russia anymore and it's obama/wiretaps.

Think you guys gotta stop trying to overwhelm any dissents so much. Too many of you have this stupid need to immediately pile on.
I was just thinking about this. They do it almost every weekend to change the dialogue for three days, including the Sunday Morning Shows. The issue is still Russia and Sessions and people need to get back on track.

Although it's really hard to not make fun of such a ridiculous person like Trumpfish, our President.
03-04-2017 , 04:27 PM
That headfake wont work because the wiretap came from FISA and it had to do with the same suspicious relationship with Russia.

Trump: "hey media this is unfair, look over there!"
Media: "Oh wow! We can see even more Russia from there!"
03-04-2017 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I blame the game Civilization for teaching morons that "republic" and "democracy" are mutually exclusive ideas.
Off topic but about civilization

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/...history-books/
03-04-2017 , 04:32 PM
Pacman, Tetris, and Civ should be on a video game mt Rushmore somewhere.
03-04-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Overstaying a visa is breaking the law. It is an unlawful act.

And the correct terminology is illegal alien, not illegal immigrant.
The law is the law, rip that family apart.
03-04-2017 , 04:35 PM
I still don't get wtf is the deal between Trump/Russia? Blackmail or financial profit... okay.. How does that turn into his whole cabinet doing secret meetings? They are all gonna treason to protect Dads piss video? Whole thing is bizarre.
03-04-2017 , 04:36 PM
TBH I'd rather be in prison than get assassinated by Putin.
03-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Melania overstayed her visa here before. CRIMINAL!!!
Not brown enough.
03-04-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I still don't get wtf is the deal between Trump/Russia? Blackmail or financial profit... okay.. How does that turn into his whole cabinet doing secret meetings? They are all gonna treason to protect Dads piss video? Whole thing is bizarre.
Right now there are two lines of quid pro quo that seem to be strong:

-The RNC changing the platform on Ukraine at their convention.
-Trump (initially) reversing sanctions on Russia that were put in place by Obama for interfering in our election process.

The other big thing a lot of people are suspicious about because Trump won't release his tax returns:
-Was there financial gain between Trump and Russia in exchange for any of this?

Truth is we simply don't know at this point.
03-04-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
OT: Given the thread already has 16k posts, and has the potential to become the bigliest 2+2 thread of all time, i threw together a Google sheet with daily posts, weekly posts and a few other things, where I'll try to keep track of the growth.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...TZvgMvxJbAvH8/

If you have any other feature requests, let me know.
Cool stats.

Will still be awhile to become the bigliest 2+2 thread. (What has that honor now? The SE sticky?)
03-04-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Right. We gotta remember that there are two separate issues here:

Was there a wiretrap on Trump? Possibly.

Was it ordered by Obama? Definitely not.
The warrants, which as far as I know didn't include Trump, were issued by US federal judges on their own independent authority without any reference to political officers of the executive. Because that's how you do that.

One problem is that Trump has not the first or faintest clue how the US government actually works. You might well think that this is an alarming situation. And you might well be right.
03-04-2017 , 04:44 PM
also trump's campaign and current defense are all the same as putin's politics. It doesn't take much dot connecting to get to a full conspiracy whether it happened like that or not.
03-04-2017 , 04:45 PM
Trump flashes anger over Sessions recusal, Russia stories in tense Oval Office meeting
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=45908106
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Priebus and Bannon were planning to join the trip, but suddenly after the president's eruption those plans changed. One source said both men volunteered to stay behind in Washington, with another source saying the president seemed to concur that they should.

As President Trump was in the air aboard Marine One headed for Air Force One on the tarmac at Joint Base Andrews, a last-minute phone call was made from the West Wing to the team on board the president’s plane with a directive to remove Priebus and Bannon from the manifest, sources said. They would not be coming to the Sunshine State.
03-04-2017 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I still don't get wtf is the deal between Trump/Russia? Blackmail or financial profit... okay.. How does that turn into his whole cabinet doing secret meetings? They are all gonna treason to protect Dads piss video? Whole thing is bizarre.
the plan obviously for kushner/bannon/flynn/sessions is to make trump the putin of america and use their close connections to him to become billionaire american oligarchs. whether this was planned out by fsb agents and presented to them, or if they came up with the idea by watching putin from afar, is the question of the moment
03-04-2017 , 04:51 PM
Let's also not forget that the Steele dossier said 19.5% of rosneft would be sold. Then, 19.5% was sold for over a billion and we have no idea who "bought it." How do you just guess that 19.5% of a multi billion dollar company will be transferred in shady circumstances?
03-04-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by florentinopeces
This thinking is no different than that of the the Germans who stood by while the death trains got loaded.
well, arent germans thought of as being quite logical ppl? he proly agrees with you.
03-04-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
the plan obviously for kushner/bannon/flynn/sessions is to make trump the putin of america and use their close connections to him to become billionaire american oligarchs. whether this was planned out by fsb agents and presented to them, or if they came up with the idea by watching putin from afar, is the question of the moment
Right. Sessions gets to implement Alabama style authoritarian private prison politics at the federal level. He has a deep-seated desire to disenfranchise millions of minority voters, I believe he would go to great lengths to do so.
03-04-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
This isn't Germany. We aren't shipping Mexicans to death camps idiot. We are sending back to the country they come from. HUGE difference but try again.
heres the thing tho. the germans didnt just start rounding em up and deporting and murdering.

it started with divisive and demonizing rhetoric and propaganda from govt officials, new govt agencies created for that express purpose, and govt promoted private entities like news organizations and certain ppl in the entertainment industry.

from there, the germans passed and enforced laws that deprived the jews of previous rights.

we are partway into this 2nd part in the country.
03-04-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Cool stats.

Will still be awhile to become the bigliest 2+2 thread. (What has that honor now? The SE sticky?)
Looked around a little. Medium Stakes NL Sports thread has the SE sticky beat (224k v 222k), but it won't be long before SE sticky surpasses that

EDIT:Looking a little more Live Low-stakes NL has a 297k chat thread
03-04-2017 , 04:59 PM
The good news is Trump gave SNL time to add or change some lines for tonight's show.
03-04-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...04249388093440
Since this would have been last night's show he was referring to, what new details are there on this?

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Originally Posted by einbert
Notice how a little girl brought here from Argentina at 7 years old is a "rule-breaker" and therefore "has to go, that's just the law." But when the Attorney General of the United States perjures himself before the Senate and the American people, that's no big deal and people call it a witch hunt. That's called applying a double standard to people based on their color. Or in other words we are going back to a (more severe) caste system in this country.
This is the basic argument laid out by Greenwald in his book "With Liberty and Justice for Some" (and to this day with things like James Clapper not being prosecuted for lying to Congress) - that the rules are never applied equally as strong to the most powerful as they are to the most vulnerable in society.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I blame the game Civilization for teaching morons that "republic" and "democracy" are mutually exclusive ideas.
Republics were weak as **** too, like a lighter less effective version of Democracy.
03-04-2017 , 05:06 PM
no one here commented about the MAGA video that trump posted yesterday.
I guess its normal in USA.
To me it looks like super weird with that voice with the reverb and music,and feels like a scientology/sect video.

ps:would be awesome if there were subliminal messages in it
03-04-2017 , 05:07 PM
03-04-2017 , 05:13 PM

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/st...18699827511296
03-04-2017 , 05:21 PM
i'm glad we got them to self-identify as deplorable though

      
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