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03-04-2017 , 02:27 PM

#16101

einbert

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I will say that Gary Johnson is much, much, much better than Donald Trump. He seems like he would respect the rule of law and not try to stir up a new dark age like Bannon. But that's kind of a low bar

03-04-2017 , 02:30 PM

#16102

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Name something libertarians are for that is significantly different than it was in the 50's.

"What is weed, Alex?"

Correct. Libertarians want the 50s with weed.

03-04-2017 , 02:31 PM

#16103

Trolly McTrollson

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How did this guy figure out we have black mind control technology? Did that leak out?

03-04-2017 , 02:31 PM

#16104

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mw828

Why would you do that if you have a 100% knockout punch? The only type of reasoning I can buy is that it is someone that wants to put the Republican party out of business by letting them hang themselves.

And/or want to let this controversy slow the terrible conservative agenda in congress so that nothing substantive gets done before 2020.

Mw, it is likely this Web implicates dozens of US citizens. Probably well over 20, I'd put it closer to 50. I don't know if they have a knockout punch on the head (trump). But, they can't let any of these idiots off the hook. I want them all to go down.

Trump
Stone
Kushner
Page
Manafort
Sessions

Do we think they don't have other friends/associates with knowledge? Those are just the "heavy hitters."

03-04-2017 , 02:32 PM

#16105

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Deporting criminal illegals is logical.

Hey truefish, you never said where you stand on DREAM-ers. Should someone who was brought here at age 7 and is now say 19 be deported? Simple question.

03-04-2017 , 02:33 PM

#16106

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

How did this guy figure out we have black mind control technology? Did that leak out?

wiretapps!

03-04-2017 , 02:35 PM

#16107

einbert

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Originally Posted by .Alex.

I mean, freaking pvn, who was a staunch libertarian for like 10 years on here was convinced to join the Bernie squad. It can be done.

That's great. A problem though is I worry that a lot of liberals fall into the libertarian vote as sort of a protest vote against Democratic party capitalism when they don't realize a lot of libertarian policies are very anti-progressive.

03-04-2017 , 02:36 PM

#16108

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

At least we let them vote. LOL

truefish knows that minorities are like children who won't take their medicine.

The correct approach is to deny them the vote, then force tough love on them via stop and frisk, draconian drug laws, corrupt abusive local police departments, segregation, asset forfeiture, underfunded public schools, red-lining, etc. etc. etc.

Only this approach will force them to reach for those bootstraps and deliver them from the bondage Democrats have imposed on them for 50 years.

03-04-2017 , 02:36 PM

#16109

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I'm not watching but presuming media fell for it again and they're not talking about sessions/russia anymore and it's obama/wiretaps.

Think you guys gotta stop trying to overwhelm any dissents so much. Too many of you have this stupid need to immediately pile on.

03-04-2017 , 02:37 PM

#16110

sylar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

But boy are the poors/blacks/immigrants going to be thankful when they pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

03-04-2017 , 02:38 PM

#16111

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

truefish knows that minorities are like children who won't take their medicine.

The correct approach is to deny them the vote, then force tough love on them via stop and frisk, draconian drug laws, corrupt abusive local police departments, segregation, asset forfeiture, underfunded public schools, red-lining, etc. etc. etc. This will force them to reach for those bootstraps and deliver them.

Electoral college (winner take all for each state) + voter suppression of African Americans through various means -> effectively the AA population of many states just ends up going to give more political power to the white people of that state. This is actually what the original Electoral college was based on--states wanted to get credit for slaves as part of their population, but obviously slaves weren't allowed to vote.

03-04-2017 , 02:38 PM

#16112

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

I'm not watching but presuming media fell for it again and they're not talking about sessions/russia anymore and it's obama/wiretaps.

you either have some magic crystal ball or the media is highly manipulatable

03-04-2017 , 02:41 PM

#16113

th14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Yea why do blacks consistently vote democrat?

why do deep south whites consistently vote republican?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...the-south.html

Quote:

In 2014, Democrats lost the white vote in the Deep South by about 65 percentage points, 81 percent to 17 percent. That made white voters in the Deep South 61 points more Republican the country as a whole [...] None of this should come as a huge surprise: These same five Deep South states were the very ones that abandoned ancient attachments to the Democratic Party to support Barry Goldwater after he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

03-04-2017 , 02:42 PM

#16114

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The sitting president accusing the former president of high crimes and misdemeanors with no evidence is obviously news.

don't worry, Russia story is not going away

03-04-2017 , 02:42 PM

#16115

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .Alex.

I mean, freaking pvn, who was a staunch libertarian for like 10 years on here was convinced to join the Bernie squad. It can be done.

I think pvn did it on his own and wasn't convinced by someone else. It has been hard for anyone in the US who cares about civil liberty to find a place as the Dems and Reps both suck on it. I was just listening to an old interview of Russ Feingold who was a boss as the only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001. (Bernie was still in the House and did vote against.)

03-04-2017 , 02:42 PM

#16116

truefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

That, obviously, is not what I said. I said you don't know what logic is, and you have confirmed that for all to see. You seem to regard "logic" as gut feelings you agree with, and "emotion" as gut feelings you don't agree with.

Actually you just described exactly how the left is.

03-04-2017 , 02:42 PM

#16117

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me if i were president rn:

"obama wiretapped my building to spy on me during the campaign, and i invite him and whoever else was listening to release all the information they've compiled because i have nothing to hide! god bless america!"

03-04-2017 , 02:45 PM

#16118

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

How did this guy figure out we have black mind control technology? Did that leak out?

Ivanka is spying on the Jewish Cabal.

03-04-2017 , 02:46 PM

#16119

truefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Hey truefish, you never said where you stand on DREAM-ers. Should someone who was brought here at age 7 and is now say 19 be deported? Simple question.

I did answer, no you don't get to come across the border and squat a kid out and call it a dreamer.

Criminal aliens need to be deported.

If the "dreamer" has a criminal record deport them.

03-04-2017 , 02:46 PM

#16120

sylar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Actually you just described exactly how the left is.

And that is why hillary won the popular vote.

03-04-2017 , 02:47 PM

#16121

truefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sylar

And that is why hillary won the popular vote.

Popular vote doesn't matter. Sorry but you should know that by now.

03-04-2017 , 02:48 PM

#16122

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .Alex.

Sure, but there are actual libertarian people out there (5 million people voted for Gary Johnson), so I don't understand the constant desire to push them away instead of maybe making the tiniest effort to bring them into the fold.

Rand Paul is not a libertarian, but every Gary Johnson voter is?

Johnson's voters were overwhelmingly moderate Republican protest votes, man, not budding ancaps. There's a reason his vote total spiked in an election between two deeply unlikeable candidates that many people thought was a lock for one of them, and it wasn't because of that kid with his "Read Ayn Rand" flag.

03-04-2017 , 02:48 PM

#16123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Hey truefish, you never said where you stand on DREAM-ers. Should someone who was brought here at age 7 and is now say 19 be deported? Simple question.

Here is a flow chart for this question:

Are they white ----> Yes ----> they can stay
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No ----> deport them

03-04-2017 , 02:48 PM

#16124

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Actually you just described exactly how the left is.

You literally don't underatand what logic is. Liberals freely admit that they want liberal immigration because of emotions and not logic. Emotions like empathy.

I don't know if it's that Karl Rovian thing where you are just engaging no matter what or if it's cognative dissonance or what, but there are people who are just ok with helping others (even if they aren't white) and who respect and even enjoy other cultures.

Last edited by microbet; 03-04-2017 at 02:54 PM.

03-04-2017 , 02:49 PM

#16125

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .Alex.

I mean, freaking pvn, who was a staunch libertarian for like 10 years on here was convinced to join the Bernie squad. It can be done.

(that's because there are no such things as "staunch libertarians," which was the substance of literally ~every single debate about that ****. Libertarians are in like, three groups. 1. People who picked that label but are just like, in favor of general good government, i.e. Democrats 2. White supremacists 3. Literally half a dozen people who all work for think tanks who are sincere libertarians)

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