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03-04-2017 , 10:15 AM

#15951

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise

So, what TV show/news site talked about Obummer tapping Donnie's phone? Havent found anything on Breitbart or Gatewaypundit.

Or has he entered the next phase of "making up **** as we go"?

Edit: Apparently Breitbart it is.

Quote:

Arrest Obama and charge him with treason.The whole reason the globalists chose him to be installed as potus was because he was part black. They knew they could inspire the dumbed down black community to riot and cause chaos at the word of Obama. This man is a danger and a threat to all that is good in the world.

A little nugget of gold from the comments of the obviously brilliant readership at that upstanding credible news source.

03-04-2017 , 10:19 AM

#15952

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Originally Posted by poconoder

The Dems went over the top on Sessions and now Trump is going over the top on wire tapping. In the end it will all come to nothing. But fun to watch.

Actually we didn't. He lied under oath in his congressional hearing.

He should be in jail.

03-04-2017 , 10:23 AM

#15953

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Chuck Grassley is in on the cover up now:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-russia-235664

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The Senate Judiciary Committee’s nine Democrats on Friday called for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to return to their panel and explain statements at his confirmation hearing about communicating with Russian officials that were, they said, “at best, incomplete and misleading.”

Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley promptly rejected the request — although the Justice Department said Sessions would be submitting amended testimony to the committee on Monday.

The letter to Grassley came alongside a request that the Justice Department's independent inspector general probe Sessions' Thursday recusal from any investigations related to Russia’s interference in last year's presidential campaign. The moves underscore Democrats’ plan to ratchet up pressure on the GOP over the growing questions surrounding President Donald Trump’s ties to Moscow.

In their letter to Grassley, the Judiciary Democrats said Sessions "has not explained why he failed to come forward and correct the record before reports of his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak became public, why there was a delay in recusing himself until those public disclosures, and why he only recused himself with respect to campaign-related investigations and not Russian contacts with the Trump transition team and administration."

A written response from Sessions, which he has promised, is not sufficient in light of "the seriousness of this matter," they added.

Soon after, Grassley issued a statement that he would not call Sessions back.

“Attorney General Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself, and he did exactly what he said he’d do regarding potential recusals when he was before our committee,” Grassley said. “It’s unfortunate that the Democrats didn’t even have the decency to give him an opportunity to clear up confusion to the statement in writing.”

Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr said, however, that Sessions would address the issues the Democrats raised along with revised testimony expected on Monday.

“In light of the letter received from Senators late this afternoon, the Attorney General will respond to their questions along with his amended testimony on Monday," Carr said by email.

03-04-2017 , 10:27 AM

#15954

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Originally Posted by einbert

Russia is a hostile foreign power. I think they have wide discretion to record conversations involving spies/ambassadors of a hostile foreign power. Besides, why would Trump and his campaign be having all these meetings and discussions and phone calls with agents of a hostile foreign power? It's not normal during a campaign, not at all.

We are aware that it is legal to tap foreign agents without a warrant. Trump specifically alleged that Obama tapped Trump Tower, which would require a warrant. I said that if (and lol @ Trump being right about something) Trump
Tower was targeted, it was done legally. In other words the DoJ got a warrant, based on probable cause, to tap Trump's communications.

03-04-2017 , 10:27 AM

#15955

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My point is it doesn't matter if the conversations were in Trump Tower. If they were with foreign agents they fall under FISA anyway.

03-04-2017 , 10:28 AM

#15956

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Originally Posted by einbert

Chuck Grassley is in on the cover up now:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-russia-235664

Contact Sen. Chuck Grassley: 515-288-1145

03-04-2017 , 10:31 AM

#15957

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Originally Posted by kypreanus

So who's surprised NSA was used for political gain?

Can you spell out exactly what was gained?

03-04-2017 , 10:49 AM

#15958

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Originally Posted by will1530

Maybe all of the above.

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/st...37253331030016

03-04-2017 , 10:54 AM

#15959

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Just a reminder, Presidents don't order wiretaps. Obama didn't have the original idea to wiretap Trump Tower. That order came from somewhere in the bureaucracy

03-04-2017 , 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by poconoder

The Dems went over the top on Sessions and now Trump is going over the top on wire tapping. In the end it will all come to nothing. But fun to watch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHip41

Actually we didn't. He lied under oath in his congressional hearing.

He should be in jail.

This. It shows how normalizing works that, after months of relentless lying directly from the president and his spokespeople, the very serious crime of lying/misleading Congress while under oath can be brushed aside so easily.

03-04-2017 , 10:56 AM

#15961

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shame on the gov't for wanting to investigate his treason. sad.

03-04-2017 , 10:57 AM

#15962

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Notice how a little girl brought here from Argentina at 7 years old is a "rule-breaker" and therefore "has to go, that's just the law." But when the Attorney General of the United States perjures himself before the Senate and the American people, that's no big deal and people call it a witch hunt. That's called applying a double standard to people based on their color. Or in other words we are going back to a (more severe) caste system in this country.

03-04-2017 , 11:02 AM

#15963

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lol morons who thought that speech was a pivot

A deranged lunatic is our president, no speech will ever change this

03-04-2017 , 11:02 AM

#15964

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Why is he still warring with Obama I am so tilted by this type of crap. HE ****ING WON. But he keeps on spewing various accusations without providing actual proof like it's still the election. Every reported should be asking "do you keep on starting worthless drama so that we don't focus on xxx?" until he stops.

xxx being his Russian ties, his tax returns, his horrible cabinet, his horrible policy implementations,...

03-04-2017 , 11:05 AM

#15965

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Originally Posted by bbfg

He's being uncovered and he's getting desperate and he's on major tilt right now. But he's setting up the theme of "it was a political witch hunt all along!" to defend himself when the charges are brought up eventually and he is impeached or sent to prison. He might try to sell this idea to the top brass of the military as well.

03-04-2017 , 11:09 AM

#15966

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Lol

Also Hummmm....

I mean he is the advisor to the President but also everyone in the White House has no government experience,while everyone else in the government.... does.

03-04-2017 , 11:16 AM

#15967

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Listened to the podcast Intercepted and Clint Watts, a counter terrorism expert, said one thing to look out for is the White House starting to form "alternative" intelligence committees, etc like Bush did when the CIA wouldn't give him the intelligence he wanted for Iraq so he formed alternative information gathering committees out of the DoD who did give him the information he wanted.

03-04-2017 , 11:17 AM

#15968

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https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...44386999078913

03-04-2017 , 11:17 AM

#15969

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They got to get to them before they get got

03-04-2017 , 11:25 AM

#15970

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Originally Posted by einbert

Chuck Grassley is in on the cover up now:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-russia-235664

What percentage of R congress critters if super secretly polled would be cool with TRUMP colluding with hostiles vs Clinton?

03-04-2017 , 11:26 AM

#15971

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Originally Posted by fatkid

What percentage of R congress critters if super secretly polled would be cool with TRUMP colluding with hostiles vs Clinton?

100%? Just ballparking.

03-04-2017 , 11:26 AM

#15972

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Originally Posted by fatkid

What percentage of R congress critters if super secretly polled would be cool with TRUMP colluding with hostiles vs Clinton?

yes

03-04-2017 , 11:30 AM

#15973

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https://twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/837595508214542337

03-04-2017 , 11:32 AM

#15974

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Originally Posted by einbert

100%? Just ballparking.

Meh i think it's really low but they're highly motivated to not look for the connections right now. Partisanship is a hell of a drug. Democrats aren't immune from it either.

03-04-2017 , 11:35 AM

#15975

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So the first leaked DHS document said that country of origin itself wasn't a useful indicator, undercutting support for the Muslim ban. A new DHS leaked document uncuts the rational for the ban in the first place, to give the DHS time to tighten up their vetting process.

The new document says most radicalization of immigrants occurs years after they've been here and there's not an easy way to vet someone for something they might do years in the future.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.0e43f18a84ce

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