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03-03-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
How many people did Obama deport? How many people did he drone? We're you bitching then?
A lot, and yes.
03-03-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chip&aprayer
And you make that decide which laws to pick and choose? Because why, you know better than everyone else? Forget that laws were enacted for a reason. If you want change, work to change the laws, not ignore what you don't like.
Okay so we agree on something, laws do matter. Agreeing on that, what do you think of this?


https://twitter.com/RepSpeier/status/837687226473525248
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EPA Chief Scott Pruitt

The falsehood: Pruitt stated in testimony that he had never used a private email account to conduct business while he was Oklahoma’s attorney general.

The truth: Fox News 25 asked the state Attorney General’s office whether Pruitt had used a personal email. The answer was yes.

The Associated Press also received emails in response to a public records request showing Pruitt using a private account to conduct state business.

Pruitt’s response: None.
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos

The falsehood: DeVos said during her confirmation hearings that she has not been involved in her family’s foundation, which has given millions of dollars to group that oppose LGBT rights.

“You sit on the board,” Sen. Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., noted. DeVos responded, “I do not.”

The truth: As The Intercept has detailed, tax filings have listed DeVos as vice president of the foundation’s board for 17 years.

DeVos’ response: She said the foundation’s nearly two decades of filings were the result of a “clerical error.”
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin
The Chosen: Who Trump Is Putting in Power

As President-elect Donald Trump picks his top officials, we’re laying out the best accountability reporting on each. Read the story.
How Jeff Sessions Helped Kill Equitable School Funding in Alabama

A lawsuit in the 1990s had Alabama poised to fund poor black school districts as fairly as wealthy white schools. As state attorney general, Sessions fought the effort passionately. Read the story.

The falsehood: In written testimony, Mnuchin denied that his former bank had used so-called “robo-signing” to improperly foreclose on homeowners. “OneWest Bank did not ‘robo-sign’ documents,” Mnuchin wrote.

The truth: As the Columbus Dispatch detailed, OneWest Bank employees frequently signed documents in bulk without proper review, which is what robo-signing is. One employee testified that she typically signed about 750 foreclosure documents per week. The Dispatch noted that a judge stopped three OneWest Bank foreclosures “specifically based on inaccurate robo-signings.” Reuters also detailed the bank’s robo-signing back in 2011.

Mnuchin’s response: A spokesman offered the following statement after the Dispatch’s story: “The media is picking on a hard-working bank employee whose reputation has been maligned but whose work has been upheld by numerous courts all around the country in the face of scurrilous and false allegations.”
Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price

The falsehood: During his confirmation hearings, Price insisted that the discount he got on a biotech stock was “available to every single individual that was an investor at the time.”

The truth: As The Wall Street Journal reported, fewer than 20 investors in the U.S. were offered the discount, including Price.

Price’s response: Price did not respond to the Journal’s story.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions

The falsehood: Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., asked Sessions whether “anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign.”

Session responded: “Sen. Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.”

The truth: Yes, he did.

Sessions’ response: His office’s first statement: “I never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign. I have no idea what this allegation is about. It is false.”

An anonymous White House official gave a New York Times reporter a different take, saying Sessions and the ambassador did talk and “had superficial comments about election-related news.”

Sessions’ spokeswoman later said Sessions often spoke with “foreign ambassadors as a senior member of the Armed Services Committee.” Washington Post reporters asked all 26 members of the committee if they spoke to the Russian ambassador in 2016. Sessions was the only one.
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
If it was painfully obvious then Clinton would have won. The fact is the SJW class isn't as large as you think. Sorry, not there yet but keep trying buddy.
Either way, Hillary was the more popular candidate. More people, by volume, wanted her over trump. Yeah, she still lost. People still wanted her more than Comrad trump.
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Have you ever violated a law?
What does that have to do with anything? Ridiculous argument. So I broke one law then its ok for someone else to break another? Two wrongs make a right, huh?
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Typical liberal response. Oh everybody does it so it's okay.
This is the kind of response a criminal would give.
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
trump spamming now.Sad!
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
What about a speck of human compassion for the folks killed by illegals. Screw them right?
You mean the handful of lurid crimes pumped out by your right-wing media outlets that make you think there's some kind of epidemic? Dylan Roof found a site that did the same thing with black crimes and decided to start a race war. You can do the same for pretty much any group.

It's about utility vs. risk. Some of us don't think it's fair to destroy the lives of millions of people, most of whom are obviously not here to murder anyone, over a tiny fraction that commit heinous crimes.

Much the same as how your side won't even consider the most basic common sense gun legislation - despite all the Sandy Hooks in the world - because the utility or 2nd amendment or whatever reasons.
03-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chip&aprayer
What does that have to do with anything? Ridiculous argument. So I broke one law then its ok for someone else to break another? Two wrongs make a right, huh?
That's a yes. What was the law, when did you break it, and what is your home address?
03-03-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A lot, and yes.
You have an Obama bashing thread on here? Yea there might be a jab here and there but I guarantee it's not to this magnitude.
03-03-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chip&aprayer
What does that have to do with anything? Ridiculous argument. So I broke one law then its ok for someone else to break another? Two wrongs make a right, huh?
I agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right! So Sessions should resign as AG for perjury, correct?
03-03-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chip&aprayer
And you make that decide which laws to pick and choose? Because why, you know better than everyone else? Forget that laws were enacted for a reason. If you want change, work to change the laws, not ignore what you don't like.
I really hope you never drift into the far lane when making a turn.

If you got a blowjob in Missouri in the 80s it was illegal.

In Rhode Island it's illegal to throw pickle juice on a trolley: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/rhode-island

Laws man.
03-03-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Not our problem. Can't save everybody.
You're a good Christian, I take it?
03-03-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
So your premise is that liberals sympathize with murderers?
C´mon on dude, you are around on the internet long enough to know that engaging in a discussion with the guy is a waste of time.
03-03-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
You have an Obama bashing thread on here? Yea there might be a jab here and there but I guarantee it's not to this magnitude.
There are plenty. The fact that you haven't looked doesn't make it false.
03-03-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Okay so we agree on something, laws do matter. Agreeing on that, what do you think of this?


https://twitter.com/RepSpeier/status/837687226473525248
I'm not a lawyer, and tdlr. But if he broke the law he should be held accountable.
03-03-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
You mean the handful of lurid crimes pumped out by your right-wing media outlets that make you think there's some kind of epidemic? Dylan Roof found a site that did the same thing with black crimes and decided to start a race war. You can do the same for pretty much any group.

It's about utility vs. risk. Some of us don't think it's fair to destroy the lives of millions of people, most of whom are obviously not here to murder anyone, over a tiny fraction that commit heinous crimes.

Much the same as how your side won't even consider the most basic common sense gun legislation - despite all the Sandy Hooks in the world - because the utility or 2nd amendment or whatever reasons.
Most of the folks being deported have criminal backgrounds. If you are against that then there is no point in talking about it. My family lives in Southern California and that area is decimated by the illegal immigration problem.
03-03-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
a) It's about level of punishment. You can sanction people but still give them a path to citizenship if they're obviously contributing to society.

b) Thousands of laws aren't enforced every day. I'm sure you don't have any pirated music on any of your devices right? Never smoke weed right? If so, you should go to jail. Don't do the crime, it's just that simple.

Gonna be hilarious when Sessions cracks down on all the legal-weed enjoying Trumpbros. I have a feeling "it's the law" won't be as popular.

There are so many spooky laws still on the books that cops could start arbitrarily enforcing if they wanted to.
He's not going to be arresting white people smoking pot
03-03-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Much the same as how your side won't even consider the most basic common sense gun legislation - despite all the Sandy Hooks in the world - because the utility or 2nd amendment or whatever reasons.
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I heard an interesting perspective by John Fugelsang this morning on the podcast Fake the Nation. He talked about how during the Obama Presidency, every time a mass shooting occurred the NRA would send out mass emails to their mailing lists. The email would always be the same--"Obama is going to take away your guns due to the recent mass shooting!" Then gun sales would spike for a while, and everybody would forget about it until the next mass shooting. Rinse and repeat. So these gun makers and the NRA are literally making money off of every mass shooting, while NRA members actual policy viewpoints tend to line up with the Democratic party (regulation, background checks, etc. while keeping guns legal). But the propaganda is strong by the NRA and there is a LOT of money to be made on these mass shootings, so the status quo remains.
03-03-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
What about a speck of human compassion for the folks killed by illegals. Screw them right?
I have a feeling you don't apply this same line of logic to gun manufacturers and owners
03-03-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by heehaww
You're a good Christian, I take it?
I'm an atheist. The belief in God is a mental illness much like liberalism. I see problems and think with common sense. You all think with your emotions. Big difference.
03-03-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
How many people did Obama deport? How many people did he drone? We're you bitching then?
No because Obama didn't target people who were obviously no danger to society. We're bitching for the same reason you're doing ecstatic backflips.

Also you never answered the question about DREAMers. Brought here as an infant - deport or no?
03-03-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I have a feeling you don't apply this same line of logic to gun manufacturers and owners
I don't have a problem with common sense gun laws. I own one gun. Don't lump me in with the rednecks.
03-03-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No because Obama didn't target people who were obviously no danger to society. We're bitching for the same reason you're doing ecstatic backflips.

Also you never answered the question about DREAMers. Brought here as an infant - deport or no?
No I don't think you get to get over the border and squat a kid out to get to stay and suck off of our social programs. Even if "dreamer" is a nifty little term.
03-03-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I really hope you never drift into the far lane when making a turn.

If you got a blowjob in Missouri in the 80s it was illegal.

In Rhode Island it's illegal to throw pickle juice on a trolley: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/rhode-island

Laws man.
How about some logical comparisons. Because there is one stupid law then they're all stupid? You're still picking and choosing.
03-03-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
I don't have a problem with common sense gun laws. I own one gun. Don't lump me in with the rednecks.
That isn't what I said. If you lump all immigrants in with immigrants that kill people, you must lump all gun owners (yourself included) together when a gun owner kills someone.

      
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