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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-26-2017 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
The wall won't hurt them at all (many support it despite evidence being it being nowhere worth it to do) and there won't be gaps. As absurd as that sounds, he wants every square inch covered, we'll have to build roads just to get to some of those places, or build it on a mountain, he don't give a ****, he wants it done.

We've already seen tunnels, hasn't stopped them. I'd reckon he wants a tall enough wall that a ladder is pointless.

Mexico will pay for it one way or the other, last resort is he'll just take the $ mexicans send back to their families. They're doomed.
Right, he'll just confiscate $800B from Western Union, ez game.
01-26-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
No he hasn't released his tax returns. Maybe he had a losing year(s) which the average joe would think was a sin against humanity, are we really going to debate on a poker forum that how that sample size is relevant?

That is not why he isn't releasing his tax returns. You know this, I know this, Trump knows this.


Its a combination of related party issues, paying minimal taxes, and who knows what else.
01-26-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Right because this is the kind of thing that's been done enough times, and doesn't have 100s of unanswered logistics questions, to have accurate estimates.

How tall gets the < $25B number?
no matter how tall he builds it


ladders exist

rope exist



the wall is so ****ing ******ed.
01-26-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
The wall is such an incredibly bad idea that it could go a long way to sinking Trump & the GOP for the next several years.

* Cost overruns
* Eminent domain abuses
* Inevitable large gaps
* Videos of people digging a hole under the wall, using a ladder to climb it, destroying sections
* Mexico not in fact paying for it
It really is a perfectly bad idea. If you amassed a think tank of the worlds smartest people whose entire goal was to come up with the dumbest policy they can design they would never do better than the wall.

It's esquisite in its idiocy which of course is why trumps base love it so much.
01-26-2017 , 10:53 AM
Surreal
01-26-2017 , 10:59 AM
Get them verified tho
01-26-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Trump isn't going to build an entire wall. He's going to build a few sections in populated areas and say he built the whole thing. And his followers will believe him.
In fairness, the joke remains on us normals. Almost on Day 1, Hour 1 of the transition, right after Trump was signaling guys like Priebus would be in power and Paul Ryan and Mike Pence would set the agenda, some short-sighted liberals started cackling things like LOL, drain the swamp?! To which the Trumpkins all just said lol, we just mean get rid of Barack Obama and his liberal ilk and other criminal Democrats like the Clintons, you know, the swamp. Your fault if you thought that meant generic populism, we knew what he meant all along.

So remember some of these dudes are just flat out authoritarian bootlickers, so whatever Trump does is retroactively whatever he meant, even if he said the opposite in plain English ("So what if US taxpayers foot the bill for the wall? When Trump said Mexico would pay for it, he just meant they will pay for their years of sending their criminal layabouts to America, and they will! No more free lunch!").

And then another set of Trumpkins, and there's overlap with the "whatever Daddy said is right" crowd -- but another set are just hardcore right-wing angry racists who just hate browns and are happy to simply get signaling and sabre-rattling that America is about to lock-down and kick the illegals to the curb, or will happily take stop-and-frisk-for-documents or border dronez or whatever other clever bait and switch thing instead of an actual wall. A figurative wall.

It's trite but they take him seriously, not literally. ****, they're happy if he's just trolling liberals, cosmopolitan elites, whatever. Remember for tons of these people their real, overriding interest in politics is that they're miserable idiots enamored with Pepe and white identity and making liberals mad and sad, and no amount of Trump contradicting himself or failing to live up to his promises is going to bother them that much. Promises, dignity, honoring your words, having a goal and an outcome and wanting to see it come to fruition? That's for normals. Many Trumpkins aspire to something else and aren't going to be rattled by the Orange One being proven a liar, inept, ineffective, or anything like that. Most of them appear, as best I can tell, to be nursing wounds from some time they think a liberal sneered at them or called them a racist on the internet or stewing over how none of the girls in high school wanted to **** them or whatever makes these fruitcakes tick and they are not THAT interested in the wall, strictly speaking.

Last edited by DVaut1; 01-26-2017 at 11:09 AM.
01-26-2017 , 11:06 AM
http://clock.thebulletin.org/

Worthless liberal atomic scientists can't even get their damn doomsday clock stream going on time.
01-26-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DBLK
Surreal
The shadow cabinet.
01-26-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
This would be funnier if the DNC wasn't running GOTV operations in Chicago for this exact reason.
I think that was more about getting Tammy Duckworth elected over Mark Kirk than running up the EV score
01-26-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamish McBagpipe
http://clock.thebulletin.org/

Worthless liberal atomic scientists can't even get their damn doomsday clock stream going on time.


ETA: Maybe they should increase the frequency of their announcements after recent happenings.
01-26-2017 , 11:33 AM
What's with this half-minute crap? Make the Doomsday Clock simple again!
01-26-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Today I learned that if all 50 states split their electoral votes like Nebraska and Maine do, Mitt Romney would have won in 2012.


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Originally Posted by lycosid
Of course. You can basically just look at who won the House that year.
Interestingly, the House stayed in GOP hands in 2012 despite the Dems getting nearly 1.5 million total votes more than the GOP.
01-26-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
In fairness, the joke remains on us normals. Almost on Day 1, Hour 1 of the transition, right after Trump was signaling guys like Priebus would be in power and Paul Ryan and Mike Pence would set the agenda, some short-sighted liberals started cackling things like LOL, drain the swamp?! To which the Trumpkins all just said lol, we just mean get rid of Barack Obama and his liberal ilk and other criminal Democrats like the Clintons, you know, the swamp. Your fault if you thought that meant generic populism, we knew what he meant all along.

So remember some of these dudes are just flat out authoritarian bootlickers, so whatever Trump does is retroactively whatever he meant, even if he said the opposite in plain English ("So what if US taxpayers foot the bill for the wall? When Trump said Mexico would pay for it, he just meant they will pay for their years of sending their criminal layabouts to America, and they will! No more free lunch!").

And then another set of Trumpkins, and there's overlap with the "whatever Daddy said is right" crowd -- but another set are just hardcore right-wing angry racists who just hate browns and are happy to simply get signaling and sabre-rattling that America is about to lock-down and kick the illegals to the curb, or will happily take stop-and-frisk-for-documents or border dronez or whatever other clever bait and switch thing instead of an actual wall. A figurative wall.

It's trite but they take him seriously, not literally. ****, they're happy if he's just trolling liberals, cosmopolitan elites, whatever. Remember for tons of these people their real, overriding interest in politics is that they're miserable idiots enamored with Pepe and white identity and making liberals mad and sad, and no amount of Trump contradicting himself or failing to live up to his promises is going to bother them that much. Promises, dignity, honoring your words, having a goal and an outcome and wanting to see it come to fruition? That's for normals. Many Trumpkins aspire to something else and aren't going to be rattled by the Orange One being proven a liar, inept, ineffective, or anything like that. Most of them appear, as best I can tell, to be nursing wounds from some time they think a liberal sneered at them or called them a racist on the internet or stewing over how none of the girls in high school wanted to **** them or whatever makes these fruitcakes tick and they are not THAT interested in the wall, strictly speaking.
+1

The border patrol union loves Trump while being very clear that the wall won't work. They just want someone who says they are great even if he lies about a pointless wall and crushes their union.

Trumpkins may well understand this as code for shooting people crossing the border anyway.
01-26-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
What's with this half-minute crap? Make the Doomsday Clock simple again!

It kind of feels like IGN games reviews where 7/10 means dog**** and 9/10 could mean anything.
01-26-2017 , 11:56 AM
Resisting Trump with facts is like resisting a tornado with wind speed measurements. Sure, it's valuable to point stuff out, but Trump getting his facts wrong isn't going to bring him down.

Where liberals can gain traction against Trump is cruelty and damage. He's incapable of controlling his inner *******. This is important. What finally brought down Joseph McCarthy wasn't him playing loose with the facts--it was how he treated Annie Lee Moss. (In fact, Moss ended up having quite a few ties to the communist party, though she had most likely severed those ties years before the hearings.)

With Trump, we saw this with Khan and a few other times during the campaign. Those incidents coincided with Trump's lowest points in polling. If he starts attacking citizens as president, he's going to have some serious problems. It's a spiral that could lead to a glorious meltdown. The liberal agenda should be to constantly goad him into these attacks.
01-26-2017 , 11:59 AM
The whole wall thing just gets me so pissed....we already have a fence! Repeal and replace?? Net immigration for many years now from Mexico has been 0 or more people leaving than coming in.

I think that the amount of just terribleness in the last weeks is insane. It makes it hard to really get a cohesive argument against one thing before 5 minutes later another pops up. The overarching idea though appears to be who cares about logic and evidence on the issues and an approach to things that make people feel that something is being done. It seems like for too many Obama wasn't enough of a chest thumper.
01-26-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Resisting Trump with facts is like resisting a tornado with wind speed measurements. Sure, it's valuable to point stuff out, but Trump getting his facts wrong isn't going to bring him down.
You are correct as most people certainly didn't care about facts before electing him so why would that change now?
01-26-2017 , 12:05 PM
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The liberal agenda should be to constantly goad him into these attacks.
Well it seems that everything liberals do, from BLM to gay weddings to marijuana, triggers Trump and his supporters something fierce. We just need to double down on all of these things and be as visible as possible.

Especially protesting. That really seems to get them going. We should be protesting constantly.
01-26-2017 , 12:20 PM
This is fine

01-26-2017 , 12:29 PM
So, uh, Spicer either had a stroke or he just accidentally tweeted out his password.
01-26-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
The wall is such an incredibly bad idea that it could go a long way to sinking Trump & the GOP for the next several years.

* Cost overruns
* Eminent domain abuses
* Inevitable large gaps
* Videos of people digging a hole under the wall, using a ladder to climb it, destroying sections
* Mexico not in fact paying for it
None of this **** matters.

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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
I wonder how many Trump supporters would want a wall if the USA has to pay for it.
All of them.

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Originally Posted by TheHip41
no matter how tall he builds it


ladders exist

rope exist



the wall is so ****ing ******ed.
Then Trump will drum up support for armed guards to shoot on sight. That is already immensely popular with his base.

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
Get them verified tho
Please don't. I don't want Trump's DOJ to be able to subpoena Twitter for the contact information.
01-26-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
This is fine

This is real? Holy ****
01-26-2017 , 12:41 PM
In the WaPo article it says that all the officers had submitted letters of resignation as that's the protocol with an incoming president (as they're appointed positions). And that a few days ago the undersecretary was talking about staying on and taking on more responsibility. So I think that means there's a chance Trump effectively sacked them all.
01-26-2017 , 12:41 PM
Uh, are we sure they resigned of their own volition and it wasn't just a case where Trump accepted all of the resignations they were obligated to have on file?

      
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